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Last post 07-21-2006, 12:38 AM by raspindyaichik. 15 replies.
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  •  07-21-2006, 12:38 AM 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    It's legal to play house in North Carolina Judge lifts state's cohabitation ban, calls it unconstitutional Thursday, July 20, 2006; Posted: 6:44 p.m. EDT (22:44 GMT) RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- A state judge has ruled that North Carolina's 201-year-old law barring unmarried couples from living together is unconstitutional. The American Civil Liberties Union sued last year to overturn the rarely enforced law on behalf of a former sheriff's dispatcher who says she had to quit her job because she wouldn't marry her live-in boyfriend. Deborah Hobbs, 41, says her boss, Sheriff Carson Smith of Pender County, near Wilmington, told her to get married, move out or find another job after he found out she and her boyfriend had been living together for three years. The couple did not want to get married, so Hobbs quit in 2004. State Superior Court Judge Benjamin Alford issued the ruling late Wednesday, saying the law violated Hobbs' constitutional right to liberty. He cited a 2003 Supreme Court ruling that struck down a Texas sodomy law. That ruling showed that "the government has no business regulating relationships between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home," Jennifer Rudinger, executive director of the ACLU of North Carolina, said in a statement. She added that "the idea that the government would criminalize people's choice to live together out of wedlock in this day and age defies logic and common sense." The suit named Smith, the state and Attorney General Roy Cooper as defendants. Cooper had argued that Hobbs couldn't challenge the law because she wasn't charged with a crime. A Cooper spokeswoman said Thursday that lawyers had not decided whether to appeal. Hobbs said Thursday she was "very happy for myself and for everyone else this law has affected." She added that she hasn't thought about applying for another job with the sheriff's office. Rudinger said that since 1997, the law has spawned about 36 criminal cases in North Carolina. State officials have said the number of people actually convicted under the law -- formally known as the fornication and adultery statute -- is not clear. The law also has been used to deny compensation to crime victims, child custody, health benefits, probation and parole, Rudinger said. The law states, in part: "If any man and woman, not being married to each other, shall lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together, they shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor." About 144,000 unmarried couples live together in North Carolina, according to the 2000 census. The ACLU says along with North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Florida, Michigan, Mississippi and North Dakota have laws that prohibit cohabitation. lyosha ****************** What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.
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  •  07-21-2006, 3:03 PM 98002 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    ...criminals

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 3:19 PM 98003 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    quote:
    Originally posted by AHTOH: ...criminals
    are you on board w this law? :) ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous
    ________________________________________
    "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский
  •  07-21-2006, 3:37 PM 98005 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    of course not. there are tons of outdated laws on the books here in the US, just as in many other countries. like the ones where you can't shoot whales from a moving car, etc...those laws are never enforced...in case when an odd incident happens, as in example above, the law is being repelled. this is what one calls call a democratic society, right?

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 3:39 PM 98006 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    and the "criminals" comment means what exactly ?
  •  07-21-2006, 3:47 PM 98007 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    ...as a cynical remark

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 3:49 PM 98008 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    quote:
    Originally posted by raspindyaichik: and the "criminals" comment means what exactly ?
    Rasp. you've been here a while.. This is RussianAtlanta folklore. There was a guy here by the name of "angry liberal" who ended every post with "criminals".. Our good friend Snake does this too occasionally :) ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous
    ________________________________________
    "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский
  •  07-21-2006, 4:03 PM 98012 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    oh, i know all that.. hence the question - doesn't cynical "criminals" mean that in fact AHTOH doesn't agree with the outrage expressed in the article ? regular, non-cynical, non-sarcastic "criminals" would fit her... but even you, Egor, had to ask "are you on board w this law?" something doesnt' add up... seems like AHTOH is riding on two horses simultaneously - on one hand he agrees the law is ridiculous, on the other he resents the outrage, since it is expressed by a liberal... kinda funny, don't you think ? _______________________________________________________ this was our presentation of "DECONSTRUCTING AHTOH - A CONSERVATIVE WITH POTENTIAL TO RECOVER" and now we return to our regular programming...
  •  07-21-2006, 4:05 PM 98013 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    exactly...funny...I was expecting a reaction from snake, but I guess you've signed his proxy agreement?

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 4:16 PM 98020 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    yes, i have.. but you still haven't explained the "two-horse-riding technique".. so, wazzup with this, dude ?
  •  07-21-2006, 4:18 PM 98022 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    quote:
    Originally posted by raspindyaichik: yes, i have.. but you still haven't explained the "two-horse-riding technique".. so, wazzup with this, dude ?
    (cynically)I am learning from my personall hero, Kerry...

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 4:19 PM 98023 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    what, Bush doesn't inspire you any longer ?
  •  07-21-2006, 4:37 PM 98032 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    compared to Kerry or Gore, he rocks! I'd vote for Bush again, if I could...

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
  •  07-21-2006, 4:40 PM 98033 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    quote:
    Originally posted by AHTOH: compared to Kerry or Gore, he rocks! I'd vote for Bush again, if I could...
    Egooooor ! Snaaake ! 412222222222222 ! Everybody ! take a picture with this guy !
  •  07-21-2006, 5:01 PM 98037 in reply to 12341

    NC is coming out of middle ages :)

    yes, please "take a picture with me". 'cause the picture "with you" was already taken...below...

    советская империя утратила свой стиль раньше, чем потеряла свою власть
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