Responding to the questions Vudinav asked in the "Russian's lonely journey to death in Atlanta" topic. The full post can be found here: http://www.russianatlanta.net/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13747

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Originally posted by Vudinav: Do people really think all of these relationships are exploitve?

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Yes. However, I hope some of them turn out ok despite the exploitive nature of the origin of the relationship. Some of them probably do.

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Originally posted by Vudinav: If so, who is the exploiter?

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As in all hooker/john relationships: The order in which the parties are likely to receive satisfaction from the transacton- 1-pimp 2-john 3-hooker The pimp is the only one guaranteed to profit. The pimp is always an exploiter. The hooker or the john or both may also be exploiters. There is a chance the john will get robbed. There is a chance the hooker will get hurt. There is a good chance the hooker is a hooker because she felt like it was her only option. There is also a chance that she merely felt like it was the easiest option. Unless she is going there for the sole purpose of robbing the john, it is almost certain the hooker will get screwed. ... Now, before anyone has a stroke, let me assure you that I am answering Vudinav's general question rather than talking about one tragic woman who didn't deserve to die in such a horrible, lonely way. What I have said is not a condemnation of these women. It is a condemnation of accepting a practice that puts them at such risk. To reference other parts of your post, distasteful is a rather weak word to describe it and it has nothing to do with socio-economic or any other differences. It is the world's oldest profession for a reason. It is sometimes understandable. They may be doing it out of desperation, to put food in their bellies and have heat in the winter. The Fantines of the world are very sympathetic characters. If they are doing it because it is the easiest way to get a green card, a new house in the suburbs and a Bloomingdales charge card, shame on them. They need to grow up, stop being so shallow and greedy, and take responsibility for their lives. But they still don't deserve the abuse that could be waiting for them on this side of the ocean.

Несмотря на ваш хороший английский и интеллигентную манеру выражаться, к сожалению совок в вас крепко сидит - тотальное неуважение к женщине, нежелание понять и хоть в чем-то разобраться, во всем ее одну обвинять и при этом обозвать ее hooker - очень знакомо. Я таких Антиллигентов называю занудами уж простите.

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Olgitta, Leah is a native English speaker. Secondly, when a topic is started in English (for whatever reason-native language, easier to discuss in English, the author is more comfortable communicating in English...) generally, the responses are to be in the same language the author of the Topic chose to use.

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Originally posted by Olgitta: Несмотря на ваш хороший английский и интеллигентную манеру выражаться, к сожалению совок в вас крепко сидит - тотальное неуважение к женщине, нежелание понять и хоть в чем-то разобраться, во всем ее одну обвинять и при этом обозвать ее hooker - очень знакомо. Я таких Антиллигентов называю занудами уж простите.

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Ironic - considering Leah is American, and does not speak Russian. Considering you are so wrong on that assumption Olgitta, I suggest you reexamine the rest of your points as well. Something is definitely wrong here. Don't you think? And in your post, you've also ignored all the poits Leah made. You disagree with them? Explain why. ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

And if I type my post in Cyrillic, does it mena everyone must answer in cyrillic?

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412: I my post, I was referring to the choice of language, not a choice of font/ transliteration. I personally do not have an answer to your question, but generally: using native letter of the language makes it easier to read the posting.

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412 - hell yeah !!! If post is started in cirillic, нормальным языком, than the answers has to be in the same language, characters. SAY NO TO TRANSLIT ! НЕ БУДЬ ЛЕНИВЫМ И ПОСТАВЬ СЕБЕ ФОНЕТИЧЕСКУЮ РАСКЛАДКУ КЛАВЫ, если лень наклейки клеить на кнопочки ! Olgitta, Интерессно, где вы нашли у Leah неуважение к женщине ??? Leah, You omitted situations in which pimp and hoker is the same person and when hoker does what she does because she likes it. Both prostitution and mail bride problems can be solved if US makes travel between US and Russia easier and if prostitution will be made legal and legal whore houses will be open. But it'll never happen. Sadly..

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- Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....

hmmm... I conveniently forget about the "posting in the same language as the original post thing" when I want to participate in one of the topics started in Russian. Does this mean I have to stop doing that?

Good point Leah- I think I was referring more to the situations when topics are started in English by either English speakers or younger Russian speaking people who find it difficult / impossible to communicate in Russian and respond to the posts directed at their original post... I guess I have assumed every one who speaks Russian here does speak English also...so if it works only one way then it is not a rule- good point...

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Originally posted by Leah: hmmm... I conveniently forget about the "posting in the same language as the original post thing" when I want to participate in one of the topics started in Russian. Does this mean I have to stop doing that?

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As long as you don't use that terrible thing called translit - you can do anything you want

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- Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....

Good call, maybe it should become a rule: try sticking to one language in your post, do not use alphabet from the other language. Из зэт ту диффкалт ту фоллоу?

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Originally posted by 412: Good call, maybe it should become a rule: try sticking to one language in your post, do not use alphabet from the other language. Из зэт ту диффкалт ту фоллоу?

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lol... that isn't difficult at all. Though I'm not sure if your post was meant for me or not, English written in cyrrilic alphabet doesn't bother me at all. I've been taking notes that way at work for months, just to try to force the alphabet sounds to become familiar to me.

you're getting quite amazing at it!

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No, Leah, that wasn't against you, I am just on my stupid quest against translit as always.

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Originally posted by Masha: Good point Leah- I think I was referring more to the situations when topics are started in English by either English speakers or younger Russian speaking people who find it difficult / impossible to communicate in Russian and respond to the posts directed at their original post... I guess I have assumed every one who speaks Russian here does speak English also...so if it works only one way then it is not a rule- good point...

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I really appreciate what you posted yesterday morning. My first thought was "Finally! Let's enforce that", because it is frustrating. Then I remembered that I like to break the same rule.... :)