by Evan Sayet In my series of lectures entitled "Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals 'Think'", I summarize the dominant force in today's Democratic Party's philosophy by saying that "in order to eliminate discrimination, the Modern Liberal has opted to become utterly indiscriminate." The Modern Liberal is convinced that rational and moral thought is so contaminated by one's predispositions and prejudices that the only way to eliminate the evils of discrimination from society is to eliminate all thought. It's why the "think" in the title of my talks is in quotation marks. The reality is that Modern Liberals not only do not think, they consider thought to be an act of evil. It is for this reason, then, that we must pretend that we do not know who is the most likely next mass murderer as we indiscriminately search the 87-year-old Norwegian great-grandmother with the same vigor as we do the 27-year-old Moslem man, newly arrived from Syria by way of Iran. This "indiscriminateness" -- and the idea that rational and moral thought is a hate crime -- was summed up perfectly by a leader of the Democrat State Legislature as he spoke on behalf of a new bill (passed overwhelmingly by the Democrats) that would promote all forms of sexual deviance including not just homosexuality, but bi-sexuality, transvestitism and even stiality in textbooks for elementary school students throughout the state of California. In championing this legislation Fabian Nunez, the Assembly Speaker said "The way that you correct a wrong is by outlawing. 'Cause if you don't outlaw it, then people's biases tend to take over and dominate the perspective and the point of view." In other words, rational and moral thought must be outlawed -- quite literally outlawed -- , in favor of a policy that draws no distinctions between heterosexual sex inside of marriage and cross-species sex with a horse. The problem goes even deeper because indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy. Instead it sees the Modern Liberal invariably and inevitably side not only with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success, but guarantees that that which is most evil, most failed and/or most wrong is that which the Modern Liberal -- the controlling power in today's Democrat party -- champions. This is because whatever society has come to recognize as superior must be torn down and whatever society recognizes as inferior, wrong, failed or evil, must be elevated in order to reach the level of indiscriminateness. Thus the schools will work to undermine heterosexual marriage and work to bolster homosexuality, bestiality and even necrophilia since, well, how do we know the laws against necrophilia aren't just a reflection of our bigotry? It is not a surprise, in fact it could be no other way, then, that in San Francisco -- the most Liberal city in America -- thousands of people marched down the street recently in favor of Hezbollah, the vicious terrorist organization seeking not only the destruction of the democracy of Israel, but an oppressive Caliphate the world over. Nor is it surprising to see these same folks championing Tookie Williams, the founder of America's most vicious and murderous terror gang. Nor is it surprising that in France -- the de facto capitol of today's Democrat party -- Jews are murdered on streets named after cop killers and terrorists. In the schools, the Democrats' policies seek to promote those students who are the most ignorant and failed (they call it a "social promotion") while attempting to remove merit as a criterion for awarding the Merit Scholarship (after all, perhaps what we think is meritorious -- such as good grades, hard work and being smart -- are only thought so because of our bigotries. It's why the Democrats adore the United Nations, where there is utter indiscriminateness of thought, with no special rewards for good and free and democratic nations like, say, Australia, nor any special punishments for the most murderous of terror states like The Sudan. Here, too, indiscriminateness of thought does not bring about indiscriminateness of policy, but rather an incessant attack upon one of the great states of the world, Israel. It is why the leftists push behaviors such as teenage promiscuity that lead to failure while viciously attacking such positive and constructive behaviors such as teenage abstinence. So that while the Democrats in California are promoting homosexuality and bi-sexuality and bestiality, one of the biggest Democratic Party contributors, the pro-abortion group NARAL, holds fundraisers they call "F-ck Abstinence." Why would anyone want to "f-ck abstinence?" Because Modern Liberalism is a sick and warped philosophy that leads its adherents -- the controlling group in today's Democrat party -- to invariably and inevitably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success. "Patterning your life around other's opinions is nothing more than slavery." Lawana Blackwell

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

There is some truth in the theme here, especially in the second half of the article. But.. the title and the first half.. What place does the government have to infringe on your personal sexual behaviour? I've always found this to be a paradox. I understand defining state and sanctioned tax-payer funded benefits like marriage. You know where I stand on that :) But what is this obsessive compultion about sexual behaviors about? Do you run all your fetishes by public polls? Also, this article, as well as you yourself do all the time, suggests that those who disagree withh you do not "think", or are intellectually inferior. There is no evidence of that at all, other than your predespositions. And these predispositions are a huge mistake. Most research shown no correleation between political views and intellect/education. Voting patterns actually show the opposite of what you say. I've posted it here before - poll data by education level. Would be interested in finding poll data by IQ level. ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

AHTOH, you are a dirty liar and a slanderer.. you post and support dirty lies of others, which makes you a liar and a slanderer.. below is my reply to mr. Evan Sayet, who is a dirty liar and a slanderer.. ________________________________________________________________

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an interesting title, however it is worth something if it is supported by facts in the body of the article, and is worth nothing if it isnt', so shall we proceed ?

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In my series of lectures entitled "Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals 'Think'", I summarize the dominant force in today's Democratic Party's philosophy by saying that "in order to eliminate discrimination, the Modern Liberal has opted to become utterly indiscriminate."

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this is a slanderous and empty statement so far..

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The Modern Liberal is convinced that rational and moral thought is so contaminated by one's predispositions and prejudices that the only way to eliminate the evils of discrimination from society is to eliminate all thought. It's why the "think" in the title of my talks is in quotation marks. The reality is that Modern Liberals not only do not think, they consider thought to be an act of evil.

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another slanderous and empty statement... how's that one for a change: The Modern Conservative is convinced that rational and moral thought must be based on one's predispositions and prejudices and that the only way to preserve the discrimination in society is to overturn the laws banning such discrimination. The reality is that Modern Conservatives not only do not think, they consider free thought to be an act of evil, and prefer to blindly follow their leaders like lemmings. so, did you like this statement ? i am sure you did..

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It is for this reason, then, that we must pretend that we do not know who is the most likely next mass murderer as we indiscriminately search the 87-year-old Norwegian great-grandmother with the same vigor as we do the 27-year-old Moslem man, newly arrived from Syria by way of Iran.

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this is a simplistic and misleading view of a complicated problem.. fans of racial profiling, such as yourself, before speaking out on this issue first need to answer the following questions: 1. why, despite high number of muslims in US, there are no bombs going off in the buses and malls ? the answer is that american muslims are overwelmingly different from the middle-eastern muslims.. american muslims appreciate the freedoms that are available to everyone in US and see beyond blind hatred coming from overseas.. profiling will turn those who respect the laws of this land into those who will have nothing to loose, at least not their civil rights.. i am sure you know well how any people react to humiliation and loss of rights.. are you willing to be responsible for turning american muslims into law-hating extrimists ? think about it... 2. after you start profiling muslims in the arports, what will stop you from profiling them at the entrance to the mall, restaurant, movie theater ? acts of terrorism are not exclusively bound to air traffic, it can happen anywhere... if there is profiling of people of certain nationality, if all of them are officially of recognized as a threat - than you have to apply same security measures to absolutely all aspects of modern life.. so, do you want to be responsible for creating a new class of residents that overwhelmingly are innocent and are daily, repeatedly humiliated in public ? what is the possible fallout of that ? no doubt that security in the airports and elsewhere is below the acceptable level.. however racial profiling will lead to terrible consequences.. you may save one or two airplanes, but you will be afraid to get on the bus, or watch a movie in the theatre.. the only answer is to invest billions into technogical improvements, advance x-ray machines, training of security agents and so forth.. and to apply same rules to everyone..

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This "indiscriminateness" -- and the idea that rational and moral thought is a hate crime -- was summed up perfectly by a leader of the Democrat State Legislature as he spoke on behalf of a new bill (passed overwhelmingly by the Democrats) that would promote all forms of sexual deviance including not just homosexuality, but bi-sexuality, transvestitism and even beastiality in textbooks for elementary school students throughout the state of California.

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beastiality ? here is this bill... http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_cfa_20060404_155143_sen_comm.html have you read it ? there is no reference to bestiality.. the bill is aimed at preventing textbooks and other instructional material from containing material adverse to people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.. the intent of this bill is to "require school governing boards, when adopting instructional materials for use in the schools, to include only materials which accurately portray the gender and sexual diversity, as well as the currently required cultural and racial diversity of our society, and materials that portray the contributions of people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to the economic, political, and social development of the state and the country." so, why do you lie ? how dare you ? why ? the title and the premice of your post is a lie.. you are a liar, you should know that..

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In championing this legislation Fabian Nunez, the Assembly Speaker said "The way that you correct a wrong is by outlawing. 'Cause if you don't outlaw it, then people's biases tend to take over and dominate the perspective and the point of view."

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what is wrong with that ? if defamatory materials are not outlawed - they'll be included in school textbooks thanks to people like you..

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In other words, rational and moral thought must be outlawed -- quite literally outlawed -- , in favor of a policy that draws no distinctions between heterosexual sex inside of marriage and cross-species sex with a horse.

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you lie again.. you abuse words like "rational" and "moral" while offering nothing but lies.. how dare you ? " cross-species sex with a horse" ? where did you find this kind of dirt ? liar..

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The problem goes even deeper because indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy. Instead it sees the Modern Liberal invariably and inevitably side not only with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success, but guarantees that that which is most evil, most failed and/or most wrong is that which the Modern Liberal -- the controlling power in today's Democrat party -- champions.

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another defamatory empty statement...

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This is because whatever society has come to recognize as superior must be torn down and whatever society recognizes as inferior, wrong, failed or evil, must be elevated in order to reach the level of indiscriminateness. Thus the schools will work to undermine heterosexual marriage and work to bolster homosexuality, beastiality and even necrophelia since, well, how do we know the laws against necrophilia aren't just a reflection of our bigotry?

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so, "beastiality and even necrophelia" is same as homosexuality ? crimes equal to homosexuality ? have you checked your facts ? i think you just keep lying.. as well as no one of you, pseudo-moralists, can ever explain how allowing gays to marry will undermine heterosexual marriage.. and i don't expect rational arguemet from you after all these lies..

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It is not a surprise, in fact it could be no other way, then, that in San Francisco -- the most Liberal city in America -- thousands of people marched down the street recently in favor of Hezbollah, the vicious terrorist organization seeking not only the destruction of the democracy of Israel, but an oppressive Caliphate the world over.

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talking about this ?: http://www.zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/ so, were those people armed, did they try to take over tge city ? no.. there were pro-Israeli groups as well.. tell me frankly - do you want to outlaw free speech in US for those who you don't agree with ? (probably same ones you want to profile) i guess you do...

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Nor is it surprising to see these same folks championing Tookie Williams, the founder of America's most vicious and murderous terror gang. Nor is it surprising that in France -- the de facto capitol of today's Democrat party -- Jews are murdered on streets named after cop killers and terrorists.

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empty general statements.. facts ? links ? if i was a conservative i wouldn't dare to open my mouth.. how many women and children died in Iraq due to policies you support ?

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In the schools, the Democrats' policies seek to promote those students who are the most ignorant and failed (they call it a "social promotion") while attempting to remove merit as a criterion for awarding the Merit Scholarship (after all, perhaps what we think is meritorious -- such as good grades, hard work and being smart -- are only thought so because of our bigotries.

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empty statements..

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It's why the Democrats adore the United Nations, where there is utter indiscriminateness of thought, with no special rewards for good and free and democratic nations like, say, Australia, nor any special punishments for the most murderous of terror states like The Sudan. Here, too, indiscriminateness of thought does not bring about indiscriminateness of policy, but rather an incessant attack upon one of the great states of the world, Israel.

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you apparently don't read the news and don't research... the nature and history of latest Islael- Hezbollah conflict is way more complex that you try to make it look.. and you, conservatives, haven't offer any alternative to UN so far... well, to be objective - you actually offered "bomb them all and let god sort them out later" policy, but whether it comes to fighting terrorists or other states - it brings only more terroists and states that hate US... try something else..

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It is why the leftists push behaviors such as teenage promiscuity that lead to failure while viciously attacking such positive and constructive behaviors such as teenage abstinence. So that while the Democrats in California are promoting homosexuality and bi-sexuality and beastiality, one of the biggest Democratic Party contributors, the pro-abortion group NARAL, holds fundraisers they call "F-ck Abstinence." Why would anyone want to "f-ck abstinence?" Because Modern Liberalism is a sick and warped philosophy that leads its adherents -- the controlling group in today's Democrat party -- to invariably and inevitably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success.

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empty defamatory accusations and lies.. first of all there is not a single person or group on this planet who is "pro-abortion"... but there is a majority of americans who is "pro-choice".. i leave it up to you to go figure out the difference.. now, abstinence programs have been extremely damaging to young people of this country, they increased the levels of STDs among young americans, they taught lies.. a number of studies have been conducted that support these conclusions.. i easily can post links to the studies for your education, but i want you at least once to try to discover the truth.. but wait... don't you know it already ? i am sure you do, you just lie again.. Evan, i just had a bit of free time on my hands today, and so i thought i let you know this: we, americans, know that you lie, we can tell when, why, and how.. we can go to the source and prove you are lying.. you count on those mindless blind conservatives that don't check anything, that are driven by hate, that want to destroy everyone who is not like them.. but they, and you along with them, are minority.. and you will allways be losing to those who respects truth and supports positive social changes.. i don't know how you can live you life lying like that, but just remember - your lies do not work.... and we anxiously are waiting for your next brilliant piece called "Liberals suck brains of little babies" ..you may want to co-author this one together with Ann Coulter.. ciao )))))))))))))))))))))))))

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off the topic... or maybe not... just heard a speach by a dude from cato institute... interesting research he did.. one of the facts he presented is that 70% of all suicide attacks wre comitted by non-muslim terrorists... now, go and profile... lyosha ****************** What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.

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Originally posted by snake: off the topic... or maybe not... just heard a speach by a dude from cato institute... interesting research he did.. one of the facts he presented is that 70% of all suicide attacks wre comitted by non-muslim terrorists... now, go and profile... lyosha ****************** What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.

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What attacks? Links please. Profiling is based on this simple formula, Snake: For example, in airport profiling - percentage of US planes hijacked and brought down by muslims in the last x years = y% profile that biaaaatch P.S. the point here is not to confuse emotions and math. Especially misplaced emotions. Muslims profile themselves. We just react. ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

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Originally posted by raspindyaichik: AHTOH, you are a dirty liar and a slanderer.. you post and support dirty lies of others, which makes you a liar and a slanderer..

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You are such a drama queen, Rasp! You know. "liar" loses value every time you use it. Which is why drama queens are never convincing... :) ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

Egor, if there were more "drama queens" like me in the media and government - we wouldn't have 2600 dead americans and 100,000+ dead iraqis rigth now.. lie is a lie, one who voices that lie is a liar, there is no way around that.. i clearly showed that - and whether to believe it or not - is dependent on our own opinions.. sadly centrists' calm and balanced opinion is not always enough when there is a need to scream "fire" when there is fire.. usually drama queens do that.. anyways, AHTOH is a liar, and his sources are mindless conservative loons who count on smaller mindless conservative loons like AHTOH to spread the propaganda..

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ROMULUS, Mich. - A man with a one-way ticket to Yemen attempted to board a plane with a knife hidden in a book, authorities said. Mohammed Ghanem, 21, of Hamtramck, was jailed Saturday on $500,000 after being arraigned on a charge of possessing a weapon in the sterile area of an airport. Ghanem was arrested Thursday at Detroit Metropolitan Airport after Transportation Security Administration officers detected the knife “artfully concealed” in the book, airport spokesman Michael Conway said. Someone had carved out the inside of the book and placed the knife inside it, said Ghanem’s attorney, Nabih Ayad. “He said he didn’t know where the knife came from,” Ayad told the Detroit Free Press. "Patterning your life around other's opinions is nothing more than slavery." Lawana Blackwell

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

don't try to change the subject.. but, AHTOH, it would be nice to see you either produce the proof of "bestiality" being mentioned in the california bill, or see you apologise for posting lies. so, which one will it be ?

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Can you summarize the lie, Rasp? All I see is political garbage propaganda. Like you guys used to compare cons with nazis. Shit like that. These are opinions. Uninformed, misguided, dumb, call it whatever you want. But where's the lie? ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

summarizing the lie as you wish: "This "indiscriminateness" -- and the idea that rational and moral thought is a hate crime -- was summed up perfectly by a leader of the Democrat State Legislature as he spoke on behalf of a new bill (passed overwhelmingly by the Democrats) that would promote all forms of sexual deviance including not just homosexuality, but bi-sexuality, transvestitism and even beastiality in textbooks for elementary school students throughout the state of California." this bill has nothing to do with beastiality, it would be insane if it did.. this is the lie.. and i'm still waiting to either be proven wrong, or for liar's apologies..

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have you seen this bill? you are right that it would be insane if it mentioned bestiality. But it would not be insane to suggest that a bill relaxed definitions of sexual deviance (as defined by target audience of the article), of which bestiality is a subset. That's exactly the empirical meaning of the statement you just quoted. It is also exactly what you do when attacking conservatives. All the time. Mentioning that US policies are leaning fascist. Do republican bills mention "fascist"? Of course not. Are you a liar because of it? Not really. But a hypocrate? Definitely. And that was just one example. You don't like it, I got lots of others. :) ________________________________________ "не нужно навязывать себе своё мнение" -anonymous

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

Egor, apparently you did not read my detailed responce to Evan Sayet's idiotic post.. in the body of my reply there is a link to the bill, so yes, i've seen it and read in its entirety.. beastilaity is not a subset of anything... it is either directly a crime under state laws, or semi-directly, under Animal Cruelty Laws.. therefore the statement about this bill promoting beastiality is a pure stone-cold lie, not an exaggeration, not a subset.. you may call me a hypocrite and an exaggerator, and we wiill argue about this.. but i never lied.. if i did - if i posted any statements that are a just a lie - not an opinion supported by logical conclusions - pinpoint it - i'll retract it.. however, Sayet along with AHTOH enjoy selling us pure lies.. and i'll repeat again: to say that the bill promotes bestiality when it doesn't mention it and when it is a crime - is to lie like there is no tomorrow..

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read the following paragraph again, slowly. if everything else fails, highlight nouns one color, verbs another, might help... In championing this legislation Fabian Nunez, the Assembly Speaker said "The way that you correct a wrong is by outlawing. 'Cause if you don't outlaw it, then people's biases tend to take over and dominate the perspective and the point of view." In other words, rational and moral thought must be outlawed -- quite literally outlawed -- , in favor of a policy that draws no distinctions between heterosexual sex inside of marriage and cross-species sex with a horse. "Patterning your life around other's opinions is nothing more than slavery." Lawana Blackwell

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

here is Evan Sayet's reply to my angry post.. i read if 3 times, and it just doesn't make sence.. that only thing i buy here is the last sentence: "At any rate, I need to make a living." .. i guess it is just about a making a living - and who cares if you got to lie and slander for living, right ?.. the guy is too much of a blind believer, i guess, to be able to produce a coherent arguement.. oh well.. _____________________________________________________________ Dear Anonymous, I truly appreciate your best efforts to offer counterpoint to my piece. I'd like to address it in detail at a later time as I'm quite busy right now. I'll just take on two points very quickly. I have no doubt that the "intention" of the bill is to prevent homosexuals and bisexuals and cross-dressers and transexuals and all of the more "normal" sexual perverions from being in any way (real or perceived -- what the hell that means) from being portrayed as anything other than perfectly normal. But the result is that, since there are people who enjoy intercourse with animals, the bill, as written (and pasted here by YOU) means that people who hump horses must be portrayed as normal and healthy, too. I'm also not a big fan of the slippery slope argument. In fact, it is actually such a bad argument there's a name for it -- bulding a strawman. When you fail to argue successfully against the point that is made and you therefore jump to the "what ELSE will you do" argument it betrays the inability to win on what was actually said. Imagine, for example, if someone argued against abortion not on moral grounds or the factual grounds that fetuses are far more fully developed and alive than anyone had ever imagined, but simply shot back "oh, yeah, and if you're in favor of abortion where's it going to end, the mass murder of all people?" See, that's not really a good counterpoint. At any rate, I need to make a living. Thanks for trying hard. Evan

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