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Originally posted by Lionya: K-man, what "platform" are you looking for? ask me the questions (and even better with links to republicans' answers for them in the next presidential term) and i will show yuo what kerry's program views on them..

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Ok, What' the plan for Iraq ? What's the plan for anti-terror ? What's the plan to help 40mil uninsurred ? Education ? (ye.. not that crap about bonuses to teachers, please) Outsoursing Economy US-Russia relations ? "Проще" я не стану, даже если люди перестанут ко мне тянуться

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- Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....

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Originally posted by Lionya: K-man, what "platform" are you looking for? ask me the questions (and even better with links to republicans' answers for them in the next presidential term) and i will show yuo what kerry's program views on them..

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What I want to know is how exactly he is going to create those 10 million high paying jobs he keeps saying he is going to create but never explains. Last time I checked the president doesn't actually create ANY jobs, even government jobs. Congress does that, and the private sector does the rest. That means businesses. So far most of Kerry's proposals are not very pro-business. His tax proposals to "keep jobs in America" are only really going to hurt people who do business overseas. Companies like mine. Just opening an office in another country to do business there would kill me tax-wise based on his proposal no matter if I am actually reducing the jobs of people here or not. It will hurt businesses who are international. Higher tax burdens means a lower bottom line, which means less investment and less job creation. Seems like a terrible way to "create 10 million new jobs" to me. You cannot be anti-business and also claim that you are going to create jobs. Businesses create jobs, not politicians.

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once again i dont have a number crunching articles in front of me....but i dotn see republican platform which would have numbers in it neither so.. K-man back to u... u didnt read the link i posted didnt u ?? :)

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What' the plan for Iraq ?

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html

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What's the plan for anti-terror ?

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/terrorism.html

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What's the plan to help 40mil uninsurred ?

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Education ? (ye.. not that crap about bonuses to teachers, please)

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/

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Outsoursing

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this is much more complicated question.. here's a just a piece: Research has demonstrated that new jobs tax credits increase employment. The Kerry-Edwards New Jobs Tax Credit will cover an employer's share of payroll taxes for net new jobs created in manufacturing, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small businesses. The credit will be available in 2005 and 2006. For example: a medium-sized manufacturing company employs 1,000 workers. If this company hires an additional 100 employees at $40,000 each - bringing the total number of employees to 1,100 - it would receive a tax cut of 3,060 per worker, or $306,000 total. This would roughly offset the additional cost of health care premiums, which have risen about $2,700 under President Bush.

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Economy

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/ Vs Bush Comparison http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/compare.html

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US-Russia relations ?

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too much stuff to list... here's a link for you to read for yourself : http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=russia&sp-a=sp1001847f&sp-p=any&sp-f=ISO-8859-1 or a piece: John Kerry and John Edwards believe that America's policy toward Russia must consist of more than just words: Russia deserves a real agenda for cooperation, opportunities for engagement, and candid communication. As president, John Kerry will pursue a Russia policy that advances the core U.S. interests at stake in Russia's historic transformation, beginning with cooperative work to secure vulnerable stockpiles of nuclear weapons and materials. And as president, John Kerry will emphasize the central importance of respect for human rights, the rule of law and development of Russia's fledgling democratic institutions and independent media. Progress on these fronts is essential to Russia's successful and full integration into international institutions and the global economy

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Yep, most of the answers are there, just spend time to read. Also, you want to talk about dirty politics, go to Bush-Cheney official campaign site: http://www.georgebush.com/ What do you see on the first page? Not their platform, not their statements, not anything constructive - you see a whole page of Kerry bashing. Extreme Kerry Makeover, Kerry this Kerry that. Plain ridiculous. ~Mr.T.~

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once again i dont have a number crunching articles in front of me....but i dotn see republican platform which would have numbers in it neither so.. K-man back to u... u didnt read the link i posted didnt u ?? :)

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What' the plan for Iraq ?

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html I did. The link you provided has nothing specific. And Bush wants the same thing. Question is - how do you make NATO to send troops ? How do you make iraqy securituy force do something except guarding themselfs. So, on first question - just wishfull thinking.

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What's the plan for anti-terror ?

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/terrorism.html Again, not real answers, just wishfull thinking. No closing of borders, no hunting for illegals...

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What's the plan to help 40mil uninsurred ?

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You missed that one, didn't you...

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Education ? (ye.. not that crap about bonuses to teachers, please)

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http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/ I only like the last one, with 4000 tax credit for colledg...

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this is much more complicated question.. here's a just a piece: Research has demonstrated that new jobs tax credits increase employment. The Kerry-Edwards New Jobs Tax Credit will cover an employer's share of payroll taxes for net new jobs created in manufacturing, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small businesses. The credit will be available in 2005 and 2006. For example: a medium-sized manufacturing company employs 1,000 workers. If this company hires an additional 100 employees at $40,000 each - bringing the total number of employees to 1,100 - it would receive a tax cut of 3,060 per worker, or $306,000 total. This would roughly offset the additional cost of health care premiums, which have risen about $2,700 under President Bush. People I know in small/medium bussiness don't like it. ote]Economy[/quote] http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/ Vs Bush Comparison http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/compare.html Again, more wishfull thinking. I want a real plan. ote]US-Russia relations ? [/quote] too much stuff to list... here's a link for you to read for yourself : http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=russia&sp-a=sp1001847f&sp-p=any&sp-f=ISO-8859-1 or a piece: John Kerry and John Edwards believe that America's policy toward Russia must consist of more than just words: Russia deserves a real agenda for cooperation, opportunities for engagement, and candid communication. BS, what Russia needs is for US to leave it alone and stop being a big brother. sident, John Kerry will pursue a Russia policy that advances the core U.S. interests at stake in Russia's historic transformation, beginning with cooperative work to secure vulnerable stockpiles of nuclear weapons and materials. Is that what he think is important ?????????? Not this BS about nuclear materials again ! president, John Kerry will emphasize the central importance of respect for human rights, the rule of law and development of Russia's fledgling democratic institutions and independent media. So will he or not support russian efferts in Chechnya ? What about Venic laws or trade restrictions ? ss on these fronts is essential to Russia's successful and full integration into international institutions and the global economy [/quote] BS. US unfair trade practices and double standards in war on terror - that's what prevents Russia in integration... So. I'm sorry man - I don't see real plan. "Проще" я не стану, даже если люди перестанут ко мне тянуться

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Originally posted by Lionya: once again i dont have a number crunching articles in front of me....but i dotn see republican platform which would have numbers in it neither so..

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Lionya, most of the points in that program are simply slogans (лозунги) that are entirely based on the wishful thinking!! Here is an example: “Directing Military Action to Destroy and Disrupt Terrorist Networks. Under John Kerry’s leadership, American military operations will be precise and deadly.” All I can add to it is "Ура!!"

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k-man and tarzan here is a good time to show non-slogan promise of mr bush on the table..

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Originally posted by Lionya: k-man and tarzan here is a good time to show non-slogan promise of mr bush on the table..

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Lionya, I was hoping you'd say that… How about tax cut? He promised it and we got it!! How about school vouchers? He promised it and we got it!! How about support of Israel? I can keep on going all evening long…

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this is much more complicated question.. here's a just a piece: Research has demonstrated that new jobs tax credits increase employment. The Kerry-Edwards New Jobs Tax Credit will cover an employer's share of payroll taxes for net new jobs created in manufacturing, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small businesses. The credit will be available in 2005 and 2006. For example: a medium-sized manufacturing company employs 1,000 workers. If this company hires an additional 100 employees at $40,000 each - bringing the total number of employees to 1,100 - it would receive a tax cut of 3,060 per worker, or $306,000 total. This would roughly offset the additional cost of health care premiums, which have risen about $2,700 under President Bush.

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That means the employer would have to spend 4 million USD to save $306,000? Then you turn around and say that it would cover the costs for health care premiums which you would not have if you did not hire the 100 workers. This will do nothing to “create” 10 million “high-paying” jobs. In addition there is no distinction made between a company that expands it operations overseas and one that moves operations overseas although they are two different things. Both would be penalized. Granted it stands no chance of getting through Congress but it is an asinine plan regardless and shows no understanding of economics. You have to be business friendly to encourage job growth. It does not matter what your politics are otherwise. Outsourcing is not a new phenominon and will continue regardless. It may be the latest issue de jour by the politicos however it has been going on for more than 200 years. It was going on full force in the 90's and no one made a peep about it.

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buish tax cut actually increased overall taxes to most of the americans and reduced funding to science, education, healthcare, cleaning up Environment... so tax "cut" was a disaster.. still is... the real tax cut would work... school vouchers do not work.. they just take money from public schools and do nothing...

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Originally posted by TAP3AH: How about tax cut? He promised it and we got it!! How about school vouchers? He promised it and we got it!!

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as for israel - clinton did more for israel then bush.. and any democratic administration will do at least as much to israel ... lyosha ****************** What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.

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Lionya - it was for both of you. Thanks for platform posting.... don't see detail tho. But intentions do look good, as usual.

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Communism had good intentions too. Health care for everybody, good education for everybody...equality. But was communism really good in the end? You hear the democratic party platform...health care for everybody, good education for everybody...yadah yadah yadah....one would think they might advocating socialism. However, socialism doesn't produce wealth and it is inefficient. It is something that has no foundation. In Canada they have a socialist healthcare system and many regret going that way. Many Canadians who can afford to come to America for surgery prefer American doctors because American doctors do a better job in their surgery. Hmm... I wonder why? I like the idea of making the super rich pay their fair share on taxes, I agree with the democrats on that. But what I take issue with the democrats is they want to give healthcare to everybody. Well, it's a good goal but I wonder if they are foolishly willing to sacrafice the economic efficiency of the health care system to do it. The solution to the problem of health care is not as easy as democrats try to make it out. Advocating the easy way to socialized medicine is a ticket to nowhere and a failed healthcare system. As well, outsourcing, while politically it is popular to be against outsourcing, in the long run by stopping outsourcing you will be causing serious economic problems for the future. Part of owning your private business is the right to decide who you can hire and where when possible. No corporation or business owes you a job. If you want the job you have to compete and work to earn it. If you are given a job in a silver platter you will be sacraficing the efficiency of the economy which will in the end cause serious economic problems. So I personally think it is overly simplistic on some of the democrat party platforms personally. You can't take simple solutions and apply them to complex problems. "Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions." - Ronald Reagan

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Are you angry that others disappoint you? remember you cannot depend upon yourself.
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That means the employer would have to spend 4 million USD to save $306,000? Then you turn around and say that it would cover the costs for health care premiums which you would not have if you did not hire the 100 workers. This will do nothing to “create” 10 million “high-paying” jobs. In addition there is no distinction made between a company that expands it operations overseas and one that moves operations overseas although they are two different things. Both would be penalized. Granted it stands no chance of getting through Congress but it is an asinine plan regardless and shows no understanding of economics. You have to be business friendly to encourage job growth. It does not matter what your politics are otherwise. Outsourcing is not a new phenominon and will continue regardless. It may be the latest issue de jour by the politicos however it has been going on for more than 200 years. It was going on full force in the 90's and no one made a peep about it.

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Exactly, I am always wary of some of the democrat proposals that sound appealing. The road to disaster always sounds appealing when it is first presented to you. "Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions." - Ronald Reagan

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From Jay Leno: - We’re learning more and more about potential first lady Teresa Heinz Kerry. Very well educated woman. Did you know that? In fact she can say "shove it” in five different languages. - Talking about the incident today, John Kerry said he would never criticize his wife. When reporters asked him why, he said he had over a billion reasons. - I tell ya, I was sweating like John Kerry trying to get a personality before Thursday’s big speech. - Did you all see Hillary Clinton introduce Bill last night in Boston? It was like the party faithful introducing the party unfaithful. - There was one awkward moment when Hillary turned to Bill slapped him and said, "Which of your little whores gave you that tie!” - As I’m sure you know, former President Clinton spoke last night but he did not give the keynote address. Although I do understand he did give a key, a note, and his address to a waitress who was working the concessions stand. - I’m sure you saw this on the news last night the convention center was surrounded by police, FBI, they had sharpshooters on every roof top, security was tighter than John Kerry’s face after a Botox injection. - At the convention last night, Democrats were mad about all the good jobs lost because of Bush…..Whoopi Goldberg’s, Linda Ronstadt’s, Al Gore… A lot of jobs…lot of jobs… - As you know Teresa Heinz has been taking criticism for telling a reporter to "shove it” the other day. You saw this on the news. Can you blame Teresa Heinz really? I mean what’s the point of having a billion dollars if you can’t tell someone to "shove it”. Not a lot of minimum wage people going "shove it”! - Did you see Kerry trying to throw out the first pitch at the Red Sox – Yankees game the other night. It didn’t even make it all the way to the plate. In fact, his pitch was so weak, today he was offered a contract with the Arizona Diamondbacks. - It looks like Lance Armstrong is on his way back to America for a well deserved rest. You know what I really admire about Lance Armstrong – finally an American in Europe who looks good in shorts. - I tell you this guy really is a hero because they treated him terribly over there. They booed at him, they called him names, they threw drinks at him as he went by. He said he felt like Linda Rondstadt. - By the end of 2004, over eight thousand McDonald’s restaurants will be accepting credit cards. This will allowed American to combine their two favorite pastimes, going deeper into debt and getting fat. - I guess using credit cards is easier than teaching those kids to give change properly. - How does this work? If you miss a payment do they put a McLean on your house?

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Actually it really was another good post by TAP. It was funny heh heh. Jay Leno is awesome. "Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions." - Ronald Reagan

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Are you angry that others disappoint you? remember you cannot depend upon yourself.
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Originally posted by mestiza: Actually it really was another good post by TAP. It was funny heh heh. Jay Leno is awesome. "Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions." - Ronald Reagan

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Jay is great!! I love his balanced and fresh humor!

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Jay Leno is one of my favorite comedians, along with Chris Rock. I used to watch HBO Comedy Jam years ago where the black comedians would come up one at a time and do their act. After the show was over, all the black comedians and the black people in the audiance would get out of their seats and go to the floor where the comedians were performing and start dancing to rap music. It was funny as hell to watch. Black humor is funny, but it tripped me out when the audiance all would get out of their seats and start dancing on the floor to rap music where the comedians were doing their act heh heh. I know most russians don't really like black humor that much, I guess I find it funny because I was raised american. "Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions." - Ronald Reagan

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Are you angry that others disappoint you? remember you cannot depend upon yourself.
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