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  •  10-01-2008, 1:02 AM 192687

    The meaning of life...

    What is it?

    Can anyone tell me?

    Let's suppose some aliens from another dimension (or universe) land on the planet Earth and ask us this question before they sprinkle an anti-human aerosol to wipe us out from the planet. I seriously doubt we could tell them exactly what it is. And, yet we, humans, do live and propagate here for many thousands years without knowing what is the meaning of life.

    I know it sounds crazy.

    It's just an entertaining question. Ok...

    But what is it really?

    Don't tell me, it is just to live and enjoy it. Don't tell me that the meaning of life is to propagate and survive. I have just cleaned my kitchen with lysol to get rid of microbes in the sink so it would be clean. I did feel sorry.... because they (microbes) were living organisms. I think the question of the meaning of life has to be answered mathematically... Mathematics is the universal language that can be understand by the aliens from another planet, universe or dimension we wouldn't know. So what is it? Please have fun and do share it here. I promise, I will give you my mathematical interpretation of life (it will be funny one and very simple).


  •  10-01-2008, 10:27 AM 192694 in reply to 192687

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    Re: The meaning of life...

    Do your time, get out of here, try not to come back.

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  •  10-01-2008, 10:28 AM 192695 in reply to 192687

    Re: The meaning of life...

    There is no meaning in life for you if you've denied your Creator.

    The Professor Teaches About Evil and Christianity

      "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
      "Yes, sir."
      "So you believe in God?"
      "Absolutely."
      "Is God good?"
      "Sure! God's good."
      "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
      "Yes."
      "Are you good or evil?"
      "The Bible says I'm evil."
      The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"
      "Yes sir, I would."
      "So you're good...!"
      "I wouldn't say that."
      "Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could...in fact most of us would if we could....God doesn't."
      [No answer]
      "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
      [No answer]
      The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
      "Er... Yes."
      "Is Satan good?"
      "No."
      "Where does Satan come from?"
      The student falters. "From... God..."
      "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
      "Yes, sir."
      "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
      "Yes."
      "Who created evil?"
      [No answer]
      "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness. All the terrible things - do they exist in this world? "
      The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
      "Who created them?"
      [No answer]
      The professor suddenly shouts at his student, "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!" The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice, he asked, "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
      [No answer]
      The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
      [No answer]
      "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause. "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and
      whispers, "Is God good?"
      [No answer]
      "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
      The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."
      The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
      "No, sir. I've never seen Him."
      "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
      "No, sir. I have not."
      "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"
      [No answer]
      "Answer me, please."
      "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
      "You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
      "No, sir."
      "Yet you still believe in him?"
      "...yes..."
      "That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
      [The student doesn't answer]
      "Sit down, please."
      The first Christian sits...defeated.
      Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
      The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, yet another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
      The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"
      "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
      "Is there such a thing as cold?"
      "Yes, son, there's cold too."
      "No, sir, there isn't."
      The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The second Christian continues.
      "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 273 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than -273°C. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
      Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
      "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"
      "That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"
      "So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
      "Yes..."
      "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light... but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you... give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
      Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"
      "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
      The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"
      "Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
      The class is all ears.
      "Explain... ohhhhh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability himself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
      "You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it." The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"
      "Of course there is, now look..."
      "Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?"
      The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
      The Christian continues, "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if He exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil.1 What is that work God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."2
      The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
      The Christian replies, "I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going, Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
      "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
      "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
      The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
      "Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"
      "I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
      "So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
      "I believe in what is - that's science!"
      "Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."
      "SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
      The class is in uproar. The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"
      The professor wisely keeps silent.
      The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's mind?" The class breaks out into laughter. The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's mind... felt the professor's mind, touched or smelt the professor's mind? No one appears to have done so." The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's mind whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no mind."
      The class is in chaos.
      The Christian sits.

  •  10-01-2008, 10:53 AM 192697 in reply to 192694

    Re: The meaning of life...

    I do not know the universal meaning of life overall or life of us people. I am enjoying it without overall meaning, I choose to suspend judgement.
    Jedem Das Seine.
  •  10-01-2008, 6:26 PM 192703 in reply to 192697

    Re: The meaning of life...

    If you knew the meaning of life, would it matter?  Would you do anything different? 

    We get trapped in whatever 'world' we have created for ourselves.  A set of circumstances, some in our control, most out of our control, led us to where we are at this moment.  What are you going to do different if I give you the secret?

    To answer your question about mathematically explaining the mysteries of the universe, visit here:

    http://www.endoftime2012.com/as-above-so-below.php

    Even if he is right - he's too smart to really help you.  So, I'll give you my answer - I give you permission to put yourself first.  To stop standing in the way of your own happiness.  Starting now, start taking small steps towards making yourself happy.  If you can't make yourself happy, nobody else will want to be around you anyway.  If you aren't happy, then there is no meaning to your life.  Also, don't let others define what makes you happy.  If you want to get drunk on Vodka every day.  Cool.  Go do it.  I guess crack ho's might disagree with my thinking.  They might wish they had chosen a different meaning to their life.  But if we didn't have crack ho's then we wouldn't be able to evaluate our choices versus that option.  So, crack ho's serve a very valuable purpose (beyond the ho'ing).

    YOu are gonna have to prioritize what makes you happy.  ANd this will change over time.  Sex for example.  It may be that screwing as many women as possible is what makes you happiest.  But at some point, you will tire of that, and you'll have to redefine a new meaning to life. Similarly, the crack ho would be advised to find a new meaning to life before it kills her. 

    Your time in this physical world is limited - so the meaning of life is to maximize your happiness in the time you have left.  Don't let money, family, job or anything else keep you from putting YOU first.  every day you have a choice to enrich your life - to add more meaning to how you live.

    Go be happy.  And be kind to crack ho's.

     

     

     


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  •  10-01-2008, 6:36 PM 192704 in reply to 192687

    Re: The meaning of life...

    Evgeny, I know the answer... Ready? \

    ... It's 47..


  •  10-01-2008, 9:18 PM 192709 in reply to 192704

    Re: The meaning of life...

    Вот, что сказали люди, возможно известные вам. Я не считаю, что кто-то здесь может изречь более значительное.

    «Человек может найти смысл в жизни, какой бы короткой и опасной она ни была, только посвятив себя обществу»
    Альберт Эйнштейн

    «Каждый человек - даже если он не знает о Боге или отрицает Его - в глубине души тянется к чему-то прекрасному, совершенному, что дает смысл жизни, перед чем можно преклониться. Как свойственно людям дышать, мыслить, чувствовать, так свойственно им и верить в идеал. Убеждение в том, что есть высшее, дает нам силы существовать».
    Александр Мень

    «.... С тех пор как мы научились говорить, мы спрашивали об одном : В чем смысл жизни? Все другие вопросы нелепы, когда смерть стоит за плечами. Но дайти нам обжить десять тысяч миров, что обращаются вокруг десяти тысяч незнакомых нам солнц, и уже незачем будет спрашивать. Человеку не будет пределов, как нет пределов во вселенной. Человек будет вечен как вселенная. Отдельные люди будут умирать, как умирали всегда, но истоия наша протянется в невообразимую даль будущего, мы будем знать, что выживем во все грядущее времена и станем спокойными и уверенными, а это и есть ответ на тот извечный вопрос. Нам дарована жизнь и уж по меньшей мере мы должны хранить этот дар и передавать потомкам - до бесконечности. Ради этого стоит потрудиться!...»
    Рэй Брэдбери

    «Человек имеет в глубине души своей неизгладимое требование того, чтобы жизнь его была благом и имела разумный смысл»
    Лев Толстой





    Ab altero expectes, alteri quod feceris.
  •  10-02-2008, 1:18 PM 192715 in reply to 192709

    Re: The meaning of life...

    The meaning of life:

    We are born with but a sole purpose:

    As we grow in life and age, suckling at the teat of socialism, we reach an age where we begin to fulfill our true purpose

    To earn money so that Obama can take it all away and redistribute it to whoever and whatever group needs paid off to buy the appropriate number of votes to keep him and his ilk in power

    Along the way, we sing happy songs and teach our children to sing happy songs to the great Obama.  We build statues in all our villages and towns, honoring the "great leader"

    We are happy in our poverty

    The media always and only speaks happy thoughts about our great leader.

    We die when some government doctor, working for our new nationalized health care system,  leaves a dirty sponge next to our heart after our surgery.

    They spread our peaceful ashes into the wind and we become oblivion.

     

    All good Russians should recognize this pattern.  So should the North Koreans and the Chinese. 

     


    Make each day count to improve yourself and those around you
  •  10-02-2008, 4:45 PM 192720 in reply to 192715

    Re: The meaning of life...

    meaning of life - life has no meaning !

    Just live it !


    - Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....
  •  10-02-2008, 11:57 PM 192729 in reply to 192687

    Re: The meaning of life...

    I guess I should've put this post in the humor section.

    People, please do relax. I am just joking... Ok?

    So far, only Alex has been in tune with this post. I respect his answer. It is very intelligent. 47 he said. Yes, I agree ... As such as, our next president has to be 47 years old otherwise we are all in deep s...t. But it is way too specific in regard to our time. I was asking generally...

    My answer will come...

    I need yours...


  •  10-03-2008, 9:54 AM 192733 in reply to 192729

    Re: The meaning of life...

    I totally disagree! How can anyone say the meaning of life is 47 when every sane person knows its 23. For a while 125 was considered but the latest reserach definitively confirmed it's 23.

    I suspect that many of the problems in our society are caused either directly or inderectly by those who believe the meaning of life is 47. Please, educate yourself and others around you, 23 is the right answer.


    Jedem Das Seine.
  •  10-03-2008, 10:25 AM 192734 in reply to 192733

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    Re: The meaning of life...

    Meaning of life is 42, that's pretty much agreed upon in the English-speaking world.

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  •  10-03-2008, 11:11 AM 192735 in reply to 192734

    Re: The meaning of life...

    Perhaps. But for the Russians it's 23. This is easy, 42 - 23 = 19. And in 1989, or 19 years ago, perestroyka begun and the world has never been the same :-)
    Jedem Das Seine.
  •  10-08-2008, 11:15 PM 192834 in reply to 192687

    Re: The meaning of life...

    no, you're all wrong.

    the meaning of life is infinity (a number that greater than any assignable quantity or countable number).

    ... or 8 arranged 90 degrees in either direction.

    if you look at our universe at some angle out in the space, you will notice that it does really look like 8 inverted 90 degrees.

    We all have evolved from the bacteria. We are all relatives. I say let's keep it that way.


  •  10-09-2008, 12:36 PM 192839 in reply to 192834

    Re: The meaning of life...

    http://bash.org.ru/quote/400076 

    Даша: ответь мне на вопрос
    LaWey: ну?
    Даша: какой смысл тогда жить?
    LaWey: хз, погугли...

     

     


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