Lena, what makes you think I changed my opinion? Where did I write that? If you refer to the article the link to which I posted, then it is just an article on the subject, not my personal opinion. As I have said before, I personally don't think sex on the first date is very good for the relationship, as many people here. Guys who push sex on the first date are a**holes. There are different opinions though, and one of them was in that article. Now, let me try to get it straight again what I meant exactly. I meant that the guy and the girl think (just THINK) about sex when they have their first date. They look at each other and wonder and imagine all the fun they can have, but keep the thoughts to themselves. I DID NOT mean, however, that they should have sex on the first date, even though they may secretly think about it. The guy should be respectful, and the maximum he should allow is a kiss in the lips, or maybe a French kiss, if the girl does not mind. That is my personal opinion. Can you quote me as saying otherwise?

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You're right about one thing.. after reading ~30 posts, I can't remember who said what/why/when/and what for.. it really kills brain cells..

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Well, Alex, you did say that it would be nice if girls tried to get sex from guys in the future. So girls who try to get sex from guys are confident, independent and aggressive but guys who try to do the same thing are assholes? Where is the equality there?

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sorry if i'm missing the point of discussion, but there is no such thing as equality, especially when it comes to comparing the sexes, everyone knows that men can't get sex as often as they want (which is always), and women don't want sex as often as they can get it (which is always also), therefore we credit both sides for completely opposite deviations from their typical expected behaviour, not to mention than under average circumstances no guy will reject a cirtain offer, but all girls have a degree in a science of rejection, particularly of offers of that nature...Alex seems to be correct....

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Stas is right to some extent, there is no such thing as equality between the sexes. (Did you know that on average, a women only makes 73 cents to every mans dollar!) To say that men want sex always is stretching it (for some reason I still believe that guys want more from a relationship then just getting laid, but maybe I am wrong ) and to say that women pass up sex a lot is a misconception. To say that no guy will reject a certain offer is just sad, because it was mentioned earlier that if a girl gives in on the first date she is "easy" well if a guy gives in on the first date what is he?

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A guy.

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Alla: xcuse me ? tanya2001: i did not say all guys want is to get laid, no, no, no ! all i said (in a simplistic way) that mentally women and men are even more different than physically and the equality in earnings has nothing to do with their attiude to sex, i don't know why women are paid less, and i hate when a girl that "sleeps around" (has many sexual partners - sounds better) is labeled a SLUT, but for a guy same behaviour is a reason to be proud, sadly society is extremely hypocritical and based on perverted religious convictions, it's been like that forever...

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Stas, now that you have added "mentally" into the whole equation everything makes more sense. Yes, women who "sleep around" (there is no point in using the euphemism of "has many sexual partners") are stereotyped as being Sluts and Whores, while men are considered Players. It hasn't been like that forever though, the revolution started with the introduction of contraceptives in the 1920's, go figure. Society can be very hypocritical, but what do you mean by "perverted religious convections?"

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well, isn't it the CHURCH that tells people: sex = sin, premarital sex = double the sin, contraception is gainst God's will, abortion equals murder, blah balh blah ? i could go on, but we don't really want such topics here, do we ?

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Well, partly it could be religious ( Priests molesting little kids is bad bad!), but partly it has to do with your upbringing... If you had healthy parents who raised you to beleive that sex is an enjoyable act (when done responsibly) between 2 (or more) willing parties, then you should be ok...

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Elena, that is right, that's the way I look at that. But you should rather like it than not, because this point of view is more on the girl's side, gives her more options, whereas guy is more limited. I think that girl may choose anything as far as the first date is concerned, whereas guy has to know his limits and be respectful :)) Isn't that cool?

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Disagree with that, it is totally depending on how u present yourself.

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Intersosik.. I like that name..! :) Are you a guy or a girl, though..? a guy, I'd assume.. Where in Canada are you?

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Waterloo

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I dont think there is anything wrong with thinking men and women are not equal, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What I didnt like though was that Alex's posts were inconsistent because he was saying men and women are equal and that gender roles might even be reversed in the future, but then in another post saying that men have more responsibility when it comes to not taking advantage of women on dates. Then he is saying that I should be happy about this inconsistency, him saying one thing in one post and another thing in another post, because he thinks that what he is saying benefits me. It might sound like it does, but I dont think that this is the case because it is implying that women cant take care of themselves and guys should be careful not to take advantage of them. As far as my opinion goes, yes, I do believe that men and women are equal and that they want the same thing in a relationship because men and women fall in love in the same way and feel the same thing when they fall in love, but of coarse falling in love and dating/marriage are different, and most people dont have the patience to wait for love or take the risk of never finding it and just want to have sex/children. The way men and women approach dating/marriage is, of coarse, different - one reason for this is that I can see is that women used to be dependent on men so that whole attitude towards relationships still persists, like you can see at a christian wedding the bride goes from the father to the husband. Again, Alex, I am not angry at you or anything, please dont take this personally, I just dont think that what you are saying is making any sense.

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