ещё пару десятков лет и эта страна перестанет быть западной в привычном понимании этого слова. Радует конечно что есть ещё люди которые волнуются по этому поводу но ущерб уже причинён даже если границы закроются завтра, 45 % выходцев из карибского бассейна быстро размножаются и ассимилироваться не собираются: *************************** Immigration to U.S. Speeds Up, Yahoo news By Alan Elsner, National Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Legal and illegal immigration to the United States, already at record levels in the 1990s, accelerated further after 2000 despite the economic slowdown, a study released on Tuesday said. The report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates sharply restricting legal immigration to around 300,000 a year while strengthening the country's borders, was based on a detailed analysis of the U.S. Census Bureau (news - web sites)'s annual population survey issued last April. It concluded that from 2000 to 2002, net immigration to the United States averaged around 1.4 million per year, about half a million of whom entered or stayed in the country illegally. If that trend continues, the immigrant population will reach a total of 45 million by 2010 and account for over 14 percent of the total population, compared to 7.9 percent in 1990 and 11.1 percent in 2000. The Census Bureau estimates current U.S. population at 292.7 million. "Advocates of mass immigration justified the record-breaking immigration levels of the 1990s on labor market demands," said FAIR director Dan Stein. "The past two years prove conclusively that immigration today is wholly unrelated to economic needs and conditions in this country," he said. Steve Camorata of the Center for Immigration Studies, who conducted his own analysis of the data showing that 2.3 million immigrants had joined the workforce since 2000, said that contrary to public perceptions, immigration had not slackened since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. "There hasn't been a slowdown. People may have to wait a little longer in some countries to come here, but many have waited for years so it makes little difference. They are still coming," he said. Latin America and Caribbean countries account for 40 percent to 45 percent of legal immigration to the United States. Another 35 percent come from Asia with Europe, Australia and the Middle East accounting for the rest. "UNLIKELY TO SLOW" Camorata said it was impossible to predict future trends with certainty. "But we have 50 years of data to look back on, suggesting that immigration has been constantly rising, so it's unlikely to slow down," he said. The FAIR report also suggested that some states that had previously received a relatively small number of immigrants now had the fastest growing foreign-born population. North Carolina, for example, received an average of around 6,500 immigrants a year in the 1990s but has received over 29,000 a year since 2000. The rate also jumped in Colorado, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada. Frank Sharry, director of the pro-immigration National Immigration Forum, said in a recent analysis on Immigration Daily, an online publication that even with the economic slowdown there was a demand for immigrant labor. "The home-grown workforce of Americans is inexorably declining," he said. There have been a few signs that the influx is producing some anti-immigrant sentiment. A poll last year by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations found that 60 percent of the public regarded the present level of immigration to be a "critical threat to the vital interests of the United States." Fifty-five percent said immigration should be reduced. In the 1990s, some 11.2 million immigrants came to the United States. They and their 6.4 million children accounted for almost 70 percent of U.S. population growth over the decade, census figures showed. There are an estimated 8 million to 11 million illegal immigrants in the country

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Ivanix, thanks for the article. I'm also concerned with this...as you said, the question is, what will it be like in 10 years from now, at the rate it's going now? "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Interesting , but USA IS a country of immigrants, italy, germany, russia etc. Over the time everyone assimilated.

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A lot of mexicans that are coming here don't bother to learn the language and they have no interest in assimilating. that's one of the problems. "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Originally posted by IntensityInsanity: A lot of mexicans that are coming here don't bother to learn the language and they have in interest in assimilating. that's one of the problems. "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Yes, I noticed on South almost everything in English /Spanish. We don't have problem on North so far, straight English ).. But I've heard about posibilities having 2 official languages in a future: English and Spanish. Some countries have more than one official language. I don't see any problem in here

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Originally posted by IntensityInsanity: A lot of mexicans that are coming here don't bother to learn the language and they have in interest in assimilating. that's one of the problems. "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Yes, I noticed on South almost everything in English /Spanish. We don't have problem on North so far, straight English ).. But I've heard about posibilities having 2 official languages in a future: English and Spanish. Some countries have more than one official language. I don't see any problem in here

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I see a big problem with it. People that come here and don't bother to learn the language are people I don't respect. They do not respect this country. And those kind of people I could do without. "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Not only mexicans don't know English. Some russians too. Recently my company asked me to translate their service to russians, who is living here for 15 years and they know almost 2,5 english words............. "Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway"

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Originally posted by Viktory L: Interesting , but USA IS a country of immigrants, italy, germany, russia etc. Over the time everyone assimilated.

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Thee is a big difference. European immigrants were trying to assimilate themselfs, they learn the language, accepted the laws and traditions. Curent immigration from Africa, Carribian, Mexico - they don't want to assimilate, don't learn the language, don't accept traditions. So in about 0-40 years I'm goig to move to New Zealand, cause I don't want to leave in a country with white minority. "Чем больше женщину мы меньше, тем меньше больше она нас"

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Originally posted by Viktory L: Interesting , but USA IS a country of immigrants, italy, germany, russia etc. Over the time everyone assimilated.

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Thee is a big difference. European immigrants were trying to assimilate themselfs, they learn the language, accepted the laws and traditions. Curent immigration from Africa, Carribian, Mexico - they don't want to assimilate, don't learn the language, don't accept traditions. So in about 0-40 years I'm goig to move to New Zealand, cause I don't want to leave in a country with white minority. "Чем больше женщину мы меньше, тем меньше больше она нас"

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White minority? hmm, We can beat them up: Let's have more children !

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давай! :) но таких как мы - мало. общая картина такова: у голубых и розовых дети не родятся в силу понятных причин. те же кто ещё этих цветов не приобрёл семью не ценят и ответственности не хотят. та же чепуха сейчас творится во всём мире - евразийцы вырождаются из-за того что детей не хотят иметь. я тут тоже подумываю об австралии и нов.зеландии. хоть там тоже происходит взрыв арабско-вьетнамского нашествия...

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Ну с детями я уже отстрелялся. Иваныч, а откуда про арабо-вьетнамское нашествие на Австралию знаешь ? Кажись там пока спокойно. Во всяком случае своих нелегалов они в лагеря за колючку сажают "Чем больше женщину мы меньше, тем меньше больше она нас"

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Thee is a big difference. European immigrants were trying to assimilate themselfs, they learn the language, accepted the laws and traditions. Curent immigration from Africa, Carribian, Mexico - they don't want to assimilate, don't learn the language, don't accept traditions

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Actually, back in the late nineteenth centrury that's exactly what people were saying about the immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. They've all assimilated fine. Sasha

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Thee is a big difference. European immigrants were trying to assimilate themselfs, they learn the language, accepted the laws and traditions. Curent immigration from Africa, Carribian, Mexico - they don't want to assimilate, don't learn the language, don't accept traditions

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Actually, back in the late nineteenth centrury that's exactly what people were saying about the immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. They've all assimilated fine. Sasha

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Realy, did government published official documents in russian or bulgarian or polish ? Did hospitals had every poster in two languages ? Were there russian/polish/cheh yellow pages ? Did those groups had higher birth rate ? "Чем больше женщину мы меньше, тем меньше больше она нас"

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Originally posted by КузькинаМать: Not only mexicans don't know English. Some russians too. Recently my company asked me to translate their service to russians, who is living here for 15 years and they know almost 2,5 english words............. "Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway"

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by the way, i want to clarify something. I am not just against mexicans. If there are Russians who come here and refuse to learn English, my opinion does not change. I don't care if it is Russians, arabs, Mexicans, Israelis, or anyone else. So the argument, "well, there's russians that are guilty of this as well.." doesn't fly. "If you found a man at the top of the mountain, he did not fall there." - some idiot II

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Thee is a big difference. European immigrants were trying to assimilate themselfs, they learn the language, accepted the laws and traditions. Curent immigration from Africa, Carribian, Mexico - they don't want to assimilate, don't learn the language, don't accept traditions

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Actually, back in the late nineteenth centrury that's exactly what people were saying about the immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. They've all assimilated fine. Sasha

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Realy, did government published official documents in russian or bulgarian or polish ? Did hospitals had every poster in two languages ? Were there russian/polish/cheh yellow pages ? Did those groups had higher birth rate ? "Чем больше женщину мы меньше, тем меньше больше она нас"

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Sorry, mozhno sprosit kakie oficialnie dokumenti bili izdani na russkom ili drugih inostrannih dlia USA yazikah? A gde eto mozhno vziat Yellow Pages na russkom? Nikogda ne videla..

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