On George Bush
Last post 07-12-2007, 4:21 PM by Egor. 47 replies.
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Sappho
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Actually, guys ... Bush is just a puppet in the iron hands of huge coorporations of the US of A. Only, he seems to be so uncomfortable in front of the camera, that they should've gotten a better puppet - more well-spoken one or, at least, a better looking one! Then I, as a woman, could've cared less what was coming out of his mouth ... OK, I am only kidding, but really! :)
"Some say the Muses are nine: how careless! Look, there's Sappho too, from Lesbos, the tenth." Plato
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Peaceful Warrior
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Here's to both you and you Sapho... 007.
First question, Sapho, the best book I know of currently is The PH Miracle by Robert O. Young and Shelley Redford Young. It's very easy to follow a healthy lifestyle just remember a few key rules. Have fun when you really want to, let loose with your friends and have a good time. However when your by yourself, it's time for the majority of your lifestyle to be converted into mostly raw foods. You can live cheaply and very healthy, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rich or famous James. People from eastern culture have known about this for thousands of years. You do not have to go to a Doctor to be tested, you can get PH strips for very cheap too see where your balance is! Even this is not necessary however; just live a simple clean life when you can. I get all organic food for cheap, actually eating healthy is cheaper. For 70 a week I eat all organic and thing of the money I save on Restaurants, doctor and dentist bills, major surgeries and I am far more productive at work. There is one cleanse that is great and cheap that I highly recommend that has been around for over 60 years and it is called THE MASTER CLEANSER, check it out I guarantee it will do miracles for anyone in need or just trying to stay healthy!
As for you James, Fades are usually something that has been around for quite a while but just bellow Mainstream Media, then it is spotted out by Monopolistic entities and Mutated into a beast for money, so beware almost anything once it hits main stream, unless it's background is still solid. You’re not going to hear too much about MASTER CLEANSER because it's almost impossible to make money on it. Even still however it's so effective that it can't stay silent forever.
With peace and love- Warrior
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Sappho
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quote: Originally posted by Peaceful Warrior:
First question, Sapho, the best book I know of currently is The PH Miracle by Robert O. Young and Shelley Redford Young.
Merci!
quote: Originally posted by Peaceful Warrior:
People from eastern culture have known about this for thousands of years.
Very true. A while ago I read a book (OK, half of it) about the Okinawa Diet. I don't remember its title. It was written by two or three doctors who studied Okinawa people's culture, life style, and diet for 10 years. It was fascinating. However, they haven't discovered anything new - BALANCE is the answer to pretty much everything, and that goes back all the way to Aristotle.
"Some say the Muses are nine: how careless! Look, there's Sappho too, from Lesbos, the tenth." Plato
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It’s not about weight loss, it’s about us Americans, good life that we lead and how to better enjoy it. Same things that Bush is promoting as our American Values and American Way of Life. Have fun, do what feels right, save money by spending it wisely, stay healthy while eating a lot by eating cleverly, empower yourself through sex and don’t forget to thank the Lord!
The freedom to live American Way of Life is the result of our hard work and nature’s blessings in the form of land, water and oil. We must protect our hard work with proper laws and our access to natural resources by sword or coin.
I am ready to send individuals from the lower end of our social spectrum whose value is in strength of muscle and numbers together with those who are militaristically-inclined to go die to protect these freedoms. My parents never had it this good, I am planning to celebrate life for myself and for them and teach my children how to properly enjoy and protect our American Way of Life!
By the way, acidity-talk sounds like some PH-balanced, hummer-load of camel-dung, akin to snake-oil of the past.
Oh yea, Bush… good guy, looks a bit overwhelmed by all that he started. Sorry for him.
Jedem Das Seine.
Jedem Das Seine.
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Egor
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quote: Originally posted by Orkster:
It’s not about weight loss, it’s about us Americans, good life that we lead and how to better enjoy it. Same things that Bush is promoting as our American Values and American Way of Life. Have fun, do what feels right, save money by spending it wisely, stay healthy while eating a lot by eating cleverly, empower yourself through sex and don’t forget to thank the Lord!
The freedom to live American Way of Life is the result of our hard work and nature’s blessings in the form of land, water and oil. We must protect our hard work with proper laws and our access to natural resources by sword or coin.
I am ready to send individuals from the lower end of our social spectrum whose value is in strength of muscle and numbers together with those who are militaristically-inclined to go die to protect these freedoms. My parents never had it this good, I am planning to celebrate life for myself and for them and teach my children how to properly enjoy and protect our American Way of Life!
By the way, acidity-talk sounds like some PH-balanced, hummer-load of camel-dung, akin to snake-oil of the past.
Oh yea, Bush… good guy, looks a bit overwhelmed by all that he started. Sorry for him.
Jedem Das Seine.
what?
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Egor
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quote: Originally posted by francko:
It is getting really uncomfortable in DC. The war really blew up a lot of stuff and the bad guys' army was thumped, but the occupation has not pacified the region. In fact, just the opposite has happened, misery all round. And the worst of it is, there was a mega bunch of lies told to get the thing started.
It is not so much Bush as the fact that the whole Republican party could collapse if something is not done soon to repair the damage before the election in 2008.
The republican party will not collapse, and will remain very competitive.
They have distanced themselves from Bush, only McCain is still defending him, so his campaign is dead. Republicans, and their electorate, are much smarter politically than their opponents. Bush having won reelection is a testament to this.
The problem with democrats, is they cannot nominate a candidate the swing vote will support. 2004 should have been a piece of cake for the dems.
Granted, 2008, is even more of a piece of cake. Dems will fuck it up again, but might win anyway.. It's just too easy this time. They should have 75% of the vote, without having to open their mouth. But they do, so they might get 55%.
Good luck :)
P.S. My prediction is that republicans will have >45% of the vote in the 2008 election, and i would not be surprised if they make gains in Congress.
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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher
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Egor
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quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
Good. And we should. Better than being wrong in the other direction.
There are consequences to what they do to us that they may not have even thought of themselves. But we should. I think the smartest among them are not any dumber than the smartest among us.
Those who want jihad and the war of civilization, we have followed their every desire. Come to them, kill a bunch of civilians, give them a billion wannabe recruits
Give them a billion wannabe recruits? Is every Muslim ready to strap on a suicide belt? I don't think so. The moderates are as bugged at the extremists as much as we are. Who knows what % of moderates have become extremists, or would have become extremists anyway? And do you really have any idea what percent of extremists have been killed versus have been recruited? Does anybody really know?
I think it is a mistake to use our inability to name exact percentages, as a counterargument. Is the trend not obvious?
Read their one-sided media, look at the world from the point of view of the moderate muslim, put yourselved in their shoes for god's sakes. Its counterintuitive that the moderate muslim majority would remain that way.
You'll never have exact numbers. Why should that mean that we cannot logically reason on this topic?
By the way, even if you polled all billion of them, you still wouldn't get it right. A moderate today, will still watch the news tonight.
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Again - we used the stick. EVERYBODY is miserable. The vast majority just want to get back to living a normal life.
which we are blamed for taking away.
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Most Americans don't want us over there either.
this will not resonate there, unless we elect people who get us out.
They know we are a democracy.
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net-net, my hope is that the moderates feel MORE compelled to keep extremists from carrying out terror attacks. And here, we are more vigilent than ever about the 1% that would have been extremist anyway.
Terror works. It works in all aspects. It scares moderates that they will lose power, and they are forced to appease.
It provoked us into "patriot acts", and bringing an unwinnable fight to them, which is the main intent.
If Al Qaeda invaded mainland US with mass American casualties, would you be inclined to be moderate towards them?
Why do you expect this from moderate muslims? It makes no sense.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
It is much, much stronger. Has probably half a billion wannabe recruits. They can't process them fast enough. And every major figure we have assasinated, is replaced in 10 minutes.
And Al-Qaida is not even 10% of what we need to worry about now.
Osama could have taken a 3 year vacation, and we are still screwing ourselves.
lol. Can you provide your source for the 'half billion' new recruits?
I'm not saying the Muslim world is pissed. Nobody is happy right now.
Getting the stick sucks.
My source is common sense. We have more than enough information to understand what drives people, and what happens as a result.
If my inability to give you an exact number trumps all that common sense, that is certainly a self-defeating strategy.
You seem to have a hope that moderates benefit from this. Give your reasoning. If I was a muslim, and still a moderate, I would go hide somethere in a cave. Like the extremists used to.
Any remaining moderates are so quiet, its as if they do not exist as a political force. You will not find them speaking out. You will not find them in the arab media. They have been isolated and made irrelevant.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
Why is "had a base" in past tense? You don't feel they have a plentiful choice of bases, that's growing?
Their base was Afghanistan. Now they are on the run in the mountains of Pakistan.
wrong. Afghanistan is still a base, they just can;t yet control the US puppet government. No worries for them though, they now operate in every muslim nation, and many non-muslim ones. You can ask any side.. US intelligence, al-qaeda themselves, muslim media, any other media. You are the only one that thinks we have reduced their ability to function.
Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, stand up to them less and less. Eventually they will have to accept them or lose power. Due the loss of moderate opinion base in their populations. How can you not see this?
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War or no war, they will never rest. We will continue to hunt and kill these guys forever. That's the nice thing about them being gangs, and outside the political spectrum....there will be very little news as our Special Forces guys continue to take out extremists wherever they are.
agreed. We have to know our strength and weaknesses, and fight on our terms. And even then, its not winnable. Like the war on crime here at home. We just hope to reduce it.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
If we could only afford the casualties on their, we'd nuke them.
If we could afford it on ours, we'd sweep the middle east with home breakins.
We have no capability to wage that kind of war.
They do.
So they WANT to fight it on their terms. That is an advantage to them.
have you watched the training videos for these guys? They stand at the front of a dingy room with a marker and write stuff on not even a white board. That is their HQ training.
For the kind of war they are waging, this training is pretty irrelevant anyway. Door-to-door warfare on their turf, and terror threats on ours, are independent of the training you see on the videos. Videos have only one purpose - instilling fear in the enemy, and propaganda for more recruits.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
At the end of the day, I will give the Pentagon some credit for probably doing a better job of planning and training than we will ever again have to worry about from int'l terrorism. Back in the early 80's I remember my Dad once telling me 'international terrorism is the big threat of the future'. That was back when he was still in the military. This has been coming forever, and will go on until we squash it out.
People who said it then were right. People who say it now are right too. It will not be squashed.
The most realistic scenario for reducing it is democracy, economic prosperity, and stability. I actually agree with Bush on that. It's when it comes to actions, that's where we are dead wrong. We let unrealistic hopes direct our actions. Man, it is frustrating, to watch that. You actually believe it can be squashed by confrontation. On what basis? On what evidence? Other than pure dreams?
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quote: Originally posted by Egor:
On what is this based? Certainly not history or any kind of evidence. Or commin sense. Wishful thinking?
Desribe your logic and give evidence that this works. ever.
We've never had wars that were not fought between countries. This is a unique situation where you have an enemy that can move across borders: afghanistan, iraq, pakistan....so we are having to deal with this differently. THAT is why we need as many governments as possible to help squash this...otherwise, it's like a balloon - squish the balloon in Afghanistan and the air gets pushed over into Pakistan or Iraq.
You seem to grasp the impossibility of your argument. So why do you keep making it?
Look, you are right that it would be helpful to have as many governments as possible. So, what have we done on that front? We've undermined every moderate government in the region. We can't even get allies on board.
Even if your theory works, that abstract, unfounded actions we take, are counterproductive even to this end.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
Not sure why Russia is in here, but Pakistan is doing what you described as we speak. The result is the opposite - they are destabilizing themselves by antagonizing their own population.
Jordan - a very recent ally, cannot even admit that they are and work with us overtly. If they do - that government is toast.
I'm hoping one of you will call Putin and get him to help us more. lol
Its all in the hands of the US. As i often mention, we are powerful enough to have the luxury of actually having underestimated control over things we bitch about. Russia being among them. Putin's politics toward international terrorism is approximately exactly where we've caused it to be.
So is Europe's.
And so is the middle east.
We underestimate what we do.
And overestimate what we cannot do.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
I thought Bush said that a timetable will make things quiet down to wait us out, and then everyone will pounce into a holocaust.
The rare event when he is right, and you disagree
Iran knows we have killed our own will by our failures. What elected politicians will support a confrontation with Iran? Or an escalation in Iraq? The surge was already bordering Bush impeachment. Only a major terrorist attack on US soil could cause something like this.
iran is SO hoping they will benefit from all this. The game is still in play...
The only question is how much they will benefit. Iran has never had this kind of control and opportunity to assert.
quote: Originally posted by James Bond:
quote: Originally posted by Egor:
If you are not grasping my points, at least tell me where you disagree and on what grounds.
No one asks us, James, whether they can develop weapons.
This is not a first, its not the last.
We can;t even trust our intelligence, Iran could well already have them. I don;t know why this is so taboo to say.
Iraq didn;t have them, but wanted to pretend they did.
And we didn't know shit, basically.
I'm guessing the people in the Pentagon are smarter than we think....
Yes, individual people are. But what good is it, if they are fired for saying what I've said here?
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