Пока решили без няни.. а там посмотрим.  Тут infant day care за углом, по немногу пользуемся.  Вроде нормально.  Если есть ещё желающие няни, пишите в ПМ

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

IntensityInsanity:

Egor:

Thank you, Leah :)

 

Egor, are you part of "both of you"?

 

 

George Carlin in one of his monologues was telling a story about a dude breaking into a house and raping an 84-y.o. woman... Carlin then stood there, on stage, quiet for a a couple of moments and then screamed: "WHY?????"

 So, Pom's asking "WHY???????"

 

Thanks for the congratulations, Pom. :)

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

I'm not sure I understood what the WHY was for?  Why Egor and his wife had a son?  I'm assuming that at some point (after some Googling I figured out it was 9 months before the birth of Egor's kid) Egor and his wife 'laid together' and now they have a kid.  I think this is why :)

 

As far as why they wanted to have a kid, it most likely went down like this:

Wife:  we need a kid

Husband:  na, not really

Wife (a little later):  we need a kid

Husband:  I disagree

Wife (a little later):  we really need that kid

Husband:  alright, I guess....

 

Pom, almost no husband will admit this because it's very politically incorrect, but I'll tell you from my experience:  I didn't want kids.  Don't even like them.  But my wife wanted them and kept pestering me about it.  So being the great dude that I am, eventually I gave in, though of course still not wanting a kid - I mean, all that responsibility, and it delays me getting a Lamborghini, etc.

 

But eventually the first kid came (my daughter) and a year later my son.  And now that they are here, I wouldn't trade them in for anything. So yea, I understand your point, but eventually it will happen and then you appreciate it.  You won't understand this simply because you haven't done it.  I didn't understand it until I did.

 

 

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II, that's how I was in my 20s, so i didn't even put myself in the position of having to be nudged in that direction

Is it really that hard to believe that a guy in his 30s might actually want to start a family?   

maybe KGBman is right, the civilization IS dying..

 

 

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

Egor:

maybe KGBman is right, the civilization IS dying..

 

Ok, dude, I was happy for you until that statement. Actually, I'm still happy for you, but that statement was obnoxious and narrow. 

In general, the traditional marriage and family route is the one the majority seems to take. I'm sure a few end up there by default or through family pressure. But mostly, I think they take that route because that's what they want. I'm pretty sure that's the case with you. You've always had that seed of tradition and you've become more so over the years, based on reading your forum posts.Thus, I'm happy that you have what you want.

I would agree that Pom wasn't at his most diplomatic in this thread, but to say that civilization is dying because some folks reject the traditional route? No. 

We are biologically programmed to want children because that desire once kept us from becoming extinct. That danger is no longer present, but our physiology has not evolved at the same speed as our survival skills. So, one could say that Pom is merely more evolved -- that he is the future of humanity.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have children. A certain number are indeed necessary to civilization. A greater number are likely necessary to keep the population happy. But, the choice not to have them does not damage civilization in any way. It actually helps. Pom has a smaller ecological footprint than you do. He isn't causing the consumption of as many natural resources. He is, however, contributing to the tax base. As a single person without children, he pays more taxes, receives fewer deductions, and doesn't use many of the programs his money pays for, like schools. Pom's lack of desire for children benefits your new child.

Good to see Leah did not change. Smaller ecological footprint? Maybe just a smaller p---s? Just kidding...

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

Actually, my child is Pom's retirement income (depending on Pom's saving habits/investment strategy). At least the way the government calculates it :)

Each person who pays taxes, has to have been born.  Therefore, somoene with a child produces considerably more wealth and tax revenues even within 1 lifetime (3 generations) then a single man in the same tax bracket.  Over a greater time period, infinitely more. 

And i am not sure in my particluar case that the ratio of what my family pays in taxes today versus what we use, is not higher, than it is for pom.  In fact I am pretty certain it is.  And this before my child even starts paying.

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

Egor:

Actually, my child is Pom's retirement income (depending on Pom's saving habits/investment strategy). At least the way the government calculates it :)

Each person who pays taxes, has to have been born.  Therefore, somoene with a child produces considerably more wealth and tax revenues even within 1 lifetime (3 generations) then a single man in the same tax bracket.  Over a greater time period, infinitely more. 

And i am not sure in my particluar case that the ratio of what my family pays in taxes today versus what we use, is not higher, than it is for pom.  In fact I am pretty certain it isn't.

Pom's social security payments are based on what Pom pays during his working years. Your child will contribute toward his own benefits. He is not funding Pom's retirement. If the federal government spent his money and managed the system poorly, your issue is with them, not the childfree.

I was speaking about what his taxes pay for that you benefit from instead of him, not how much tax is paid over generations. Fewer people mean fewer taxes are needed. I'll admit I was assuming, based on the hit single childfree people usually pay versus those with families. If that is not true in your case, it is not my business and I apologize.

I notice you failed to address the larger concerns I mentioned -- namely that your comment makes it sound like you believe your life choice is the superior life choice. Do you? If so, how sad. I can see merit in your choices, and it sounds like they are right for you. What a pity if you've become so self-congratulatory and arrogant that you can't do the same for me or for Pom.

AHTOH:

Good to see Leah did not change. Smaller ecological footprint? Maybe just a smaller p---s? Just kidding...

You have, it seems.

 

Leah:

I notice you failed to address the larger concerns I mentioned -- namely that your comment makes it sound like you believe your life choice is the superior life choice. Do you?

Of course not. 

Leah:

 If so, how sad. I can see merit in your choices, and it sounds like they are right for you. What a pity if you've become so self-congratulatory and arrogant that you can't do the same for me or for Pom.

do what for you and Pom?  Sorry, I didn't understand this part.

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

Egor:

Leah:

I notice you failed to address the larger concerns I mentioned -- namely that your comment makes it sound like you believe your life choice is the superior life choice. Do you?

Of course not. 

Leah:

 If so, how sad. I can see merit in your choices, and it sounds like they are right for you. What a pity if you've become so self-congratulatory and arrogant that you can't do the same for me or for Pom.

do what for you and Pom?  Sorry, I didn't understand this part.

See merit in alternate choices, but since you said "of course not" to the first part, the second part is irrelevant. I'm glad I misunderstood your comment about civilization dying. I'm curious though. If you didn't mean it the way I took it (and I possibly overreacted because I'm currently irritated with one of my editors), what did you mean by it?

That was rather invigorating, by the way -- even better than coffee. I think I've missed arguing with people on the forum.

And  I am happy for you. I expect a dog will be next? ;)

 

it was not Pom who said civilization is dying - it was me. And not because of "alternate" lifestyles (even tho Roman empire fall was accompanied by those )

Civilization is dying because consumerizm has won ideological battle and human civilization has no more goals and destine to die on this planet when all resources will be depleted....  but that discussion is in another topic ;)

 

Egor's marriage and acquisition of a child cannot make no dent in the fabric of our existence  

He just joined the circle of life to the full extend... 

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- Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....

i refuse to participate in this discussion:-) you guys keep blowing things out of proportion:-) 

 

Мдя! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKPQxI0fyw