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  •  09-04-2008, 11:13 AM 192057 in reply to 192050

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    Egor,  I understand your point about oil.  However, the only counter observation I would make is that if you are buying oil from another country, this country must be a friendly country.  The US feels that since we are dependent on foreign oil, political considerations must be taken into account to ensure a continuous supply.  A perfect example of the need for this is the relationship between Europe and Russia.  Europe tempered it's response to Russia concerning it's actions in Georgia precisely because they are dependent on Russia for most of it's natural gas and oil.  Therefore, their response to Russia's actions in Georgia wasn't as harsh as they would have like it to be.  They were very worried about Russia's counter-response , so to speak, concerning their energy supplies.  Russia's actions may have been similarly influenced, due to the fact that they broke their pledge and stayed in parts of Georgia that were not allowed under the cease fire.  I believe Russia felt they had the edge due to their being the primary supplier of energy to Europe.  They played their hand well, and so far, have not been seriously challenged by any Western response.

    Your supposition that the US would continue to buy oil from your "pipeline" is dependent on those that fill that very pipeline being willing to sell to us and not, say, China. I can put how the US feels another way:    I would hate to be buying my food from somebody who hated me.  One day, I will certainly have no food when it is convenient for my "supplier" to hurt me. The US feels the same way about the availability of oil from the Middle East.   Try as we might to be friends with the Arab nations, they still only want our money, and usually hate and despise us as a people and culture.  I think that as soon as another, more palatable customer to the Arab nations shows up with money (yen) in hand, our oil supplies would be in jeapordy.  We know this, and act to prevent it.  Of course, this just builds more hate for us in the region. 

    Only answer is to increase domestic and hemispheric production of oil to supply US until viable alternatives are developed to reduce the need for oil.  We need to get started on this right away and make this the number one national security task of any new US government.

    Your point about the Georgia army appearing as proxies to the US is well taken.  Proof lies in the fact that the Georgian army melted away in front of the Russian advance.  The Georgia soldiers weren't even sufficiently motivated to fight for even their own territory.  I believe it is because they had no sense of national pride in their own army.  Had they formed, trained, and equipped their own army, they may have subsequently stood and fought.  An additional thought,  where were the anti-vehicle weapons the US produces to stop armoured vehicles, and why weren't they used?  It is a simple task to destroy an armoured column with these weapons.  Why did not the Georgian army have these?  (I do not wish death and defeat on the Russian forces, I am just making an observation that none of these modern weapons were available to the Georgia soldiers.)


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  •  09-04-2008, 11:41 AM 192058 in reply to 192050

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    James,  usually we agree, but not here.

    The Battle of Britian simply stopped Hitler from carrying out his planned invasion of England in the fall of 1940 and preserved England to fight another day, which eventually led them to victory.  The battle in itself, did not win the war for England.  However, Stalingrad was a true turning point in WWII.  After Hitler's loss there, the Soviet army never lost the initiative to him again. A German victory at Stalingrad may have brought the Russian War to a conclusion in Germany's favor, allowing an overwhelming attack on England the following Spring.  England didn't consider itself safe from invasion until the summer of 1943, after the victories of El Alamein, Stalingrad, and Tunisia, and the entry of the US into the war. (source, Churchill himself in his book, "The Hinge of Fate".  )   

    As far as your statement that oil had no strategic significance in WWII,  I totally disagree with you, and so does Albert Speer.  I recently read his autobiography, "Inside the Third Reich", written while he was in prison in Spandau for his part as Hitler's armaments minister.  He flatly states he did not understand why the Allies didn't repeatedly bomb Germany's refining installations continuously.  He further states that, had the Allies done so,  the capacity of Germany to carry on war would not have gone past early 1944.  When he was interviewed by the head of Bomber Command after the war, Speer, in response to what he felt the Allies could have done to increase the effeciency of the bombing, He stated this opinion again to the Americans that  they should have repeatedly attacked Germany's refining capacity and repeated the attack every two months to prevent Germany from being able to restore production.  This action would have, in his opinion, ended Hitler's ability to wage war by middle 1944 and brought defeat to Germany much earlier.  A pretty exact source saying pretty specific things on this point, I would say.

    To elaborate further on your statement that technology won world war two, I further disagree.  The Germans, not the Allies, developed the first jet fighter plane, which, while in operation in 1945, flew total circles around our bomber formations and could not be challenged in the air.   One big problem, though,  no fuel to put large numbers of these planes in the air.  So, better , decisive, technology was not decisive in this instance due to Germany's lack of oil..  Many historians have said that had Germany had the capacity to fly these planes continuously, the bombing campaign in Germany would have had to cease due to massive loss of life and machine.  Further, Speer said that in 1944, he was able to increase production of war material to Hitler's army to heights even he found hard to believe.  Actually, this increase in war production only ended when the Ruhr was finally overrun the old fashion way, by land armies and tanks, actually occupying the territory.  Only then was actual war making capacity destroyed.  But Speer elaborated that even  this increase in production began to be ineffective in late 1944 because of the lack of fuel to power the new tanks, trucks, and airplanes.  He actually pointed out that it was fortunate that the western front was so close to the Ruhr by that time so that small amounts of fuel were needed to reach the fighting front.

    Another example was the German development of the V-2 rocket.  Once again, the Germans were ahead in development of a potentially decisive weapon.  Only problem with V-2 was the political decision by Hitler to use these weapons on London instead of the beachhead at Normandy. It was at Normandy that decisive results could have been achieved.  We can thank Corporal Hitler for his military intuition that he chose the wrong target to use this weapon upon.  He could have chose to blow our forces back into the sea.

    The Allies had no technological equivalent to the jet fighter and the V-2.  But it didn't matter because, in the end, Hitler had no fuel to use either.

    I realize you are referring to the US development of the nuclear weapon during World War Two when you say that technology was decisive.  Yet, without oil to put into the "Enola Gay" we couldn't have flown from Saipan to Hiroshima to drop that bomb.  Nor would invasion have been a credible threat without a huge navy and airforce, all supplied abundantly with oil, sitting off the shores of Japan ready to strike.

    So, I do agree with your statement that the proper application of superior military might won World War Two.  But, doesn't that win most wars?  Stick out tongue


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  •  09-04-2008, 4:35 PM 192066 in reply to 191934

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    This is from Stratfor:

     

    ........It was therefore no accident that the Russians invaded Georgia on Aug. 8 following a Georgian attack on South Ossetia. Forgetting the details of who did what to whom, the United States had created a massive window of opportunity for the Russians: For the foreseeable future, the United States had no significant forces to spare to deploy elsewhere in the world, nor the ability to sustain them in extended combat. Moreover, the United States was relying on Russian cooperation both against Iran and potentially in Afghanistan, where Moscow’s influence with some factions remains substantial. The United States needed the Russians and couldn’t block the Russians. Therefore, the Russians inevitably chose this moment to strike.

    On Sunday, Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev in effect ran up the Jolly Roger. Whatever the United States thought it was dealing with in Russia, Medvedev made the Russian position very clear. He stated Russian foreign policy in five succinct points, which we can think of as the Medvedev Doctrine (and which we see fit to quote here):

    • First, Russia recognizes the primacy of the fundamental principles of international law, which define the relations between civilized peoples. We will build our relations with other countries within the framework of these principles and this concept of international law.
    • Second, the world should be multipolar. A single-pole world is unacceptable. Domination is something we cannot allow. We cannot accept a world order in which one country makes all the decisions, even as serious and influential a country as the United States of America. Such a world is unstable and threatened by conflict.
    • Third, Russia does not want confrontation with any other country. Russia has no intention of isolating itself. We will develop friendly relations with Europe, the United States, and other countries, as much as is possible.
    • Fourth, protecting the lives and dignity of our citizens, wherever they may be, is an unquestionable priority for our country. Our foreign policy decisions will be based on this need. We will also protect the interests of our business community abroad. It should be clear to all that we will respond to any aggressive acts committed against us.
    • Finally, fifth, as is the case of other countries, there are regions in which Russia has privileged interests. These regions are home to countries with which we share special historical relations and are bound together as friends and good neighbors. We will pay particular attention to our work in these regions and build friendly ties with these countries, our close neighbors.

    Medvedev concluded, “These are the principles I will follow in carrying out our foreign policy. As for the future, it depends not only on us but also on our friends and partners in the international community. They have a choice.”

    The second point in this doctrine states that Russia does not accept the primacy of the United States in the international system. According to the third point, while Russia wants good relations with the United States and Europe, this depends on their behavior toward Russia and not just on Russia’s behavior. The fourth point states that Russia will protect the interests of Russians wherever they are — even if they live in the Baltic states or in Georgia, for example. This provides a doctrinal basis for intervention in such countries if Russia finds it necessary.

    The fifth point is the critical one: “As is the case of other countries, there are regions in which Russia has privileged interests.” In other words, the Russians have special interests in the former Soviet Union and in friendly relations with these states. Intrusions by others into these regions that undermine pro-Russian regimes will be regarded as a threat to Russia’s “special interests.”

    Thus, the Georgian conflict was not an isolated event— rather, Medvedev is saying that Russia is engaged in a general redefinition of the regional and global system. Locally, it would not be correct to say that Russia is trying to resurrect the Soviet Union or the Russian empire. It would be correct to say that Russia is creating a new structure of relations in the geography of its predecessors, with a new institutional structure with Moscow at its center. Globally, the Russians want to use this new regional power — and substantial Russian nuclear assets — to be part of a global system in which the United States loses its primacy.

    These are ambitious goals, to say the least. But the Russians believe that the United States is off balance in the Islamic world and that there is an opportunity here, if they move quickly, to create a new reality before the United States is ready to respond. Europehas neither the military weight nor the will to actively resist Russia. Moreover, the Europeans are heavily dependent on Russian natural gas supplies over the coming years, and Russia can survive without selling it to them far better than the Europeans can survive without buying it. The Europeans are not a substantial factor in the equation, nor are they likely to become substantial.

    This leaves the United States in an extremely difficult strategic position. The United States opposed the Soviet Union after 1945 not only for ideological reasons but also for geopolitical ones. If the Soviet Union had broken out of its encirclement and dominated all of Europe, the total economic power at its disposal, coupled with its population, would have allowed the Soviets to construct a navy that could challenge U.S. maritime hegemony and put the continental United States in jeopardy. It was U.S. policy during World Wars I and II and the Cold War to act militarily to prevent any power from dominating the Eurasian landmass. For the United States, this was the most important task throughout the 20th century.

    The U.S.-jihadist war was waged in a strategic framework that assumed that the question of hegemony over Eurasia was closed. Germany’s defeat in World War II and the Soviet Union’s defeat in the Cold War meant that there was no claimant to Eurasia, and the United States was free to focus on what appeared to be the current priority — the defeat of radical Islamism. It appeared that the main threat to this strategy was the patience of the American public, not an attempt to resurrect a major Eurasian power.

    The United States now faces a massive strategic dilemma, and it has limited military options against the Russians. It could choose a naval option, in which it would block the four Russian maritime outlets, the Sea of Japan and the Black, Baltic and Barents seas. The United States has ample military force with which to do this and could potentially do so without allied cooperation, which it would lack. It is extremely unlikely that the NATO council would unanimously support a blockade of Russia, which would be an act of war.

    But while a blockade like this would certainly hurt the Russians, Russia is ultimately a land power. It is also capable of shipping and importing through third parties, meaning it could potentially acquire and ship key goods through European or Turkish ports (or Iranian ports, for that matter). The blockade option is thus more attractive on first glance than on deeper analysis.

    More important, any overt U.S. action against Russia would result in counteractions. During the Cold War, the Soviets attacked American global interest not by sending Soviet troops, but by supporting regimes and factions with weapons and economic aid. Vietnam was the classic example: The Russians tied down 500,000 U.S. troops without placing major Russian forces at risk. Throughout the world, the Soviets implemented programs of subversion and aid to friendly regimes, forcing the United States either to accept pro-Soviet regimes, as with Cuba, or fight them at disproportionate cost.

    In the present situation, the Russian response would strike at the heart of American strategy in the Islamic world. In the long run, the Russians have little interest in strengthening the Islamic world — but for the moment, they have substantial interest in maintaining American imbalance and sapping U.S. forces. The Russians have a long history of supporting Middle Eastern regimes with weapons shipments, and it is no accident that the first world leader they met with after invading Georgia was Syrian President Bashar al Assad. This was a clear signal that if the U.S. responded aggressively to Russia’s actions in Georgia, Moscow would ship a range of weapons to Syria — and far worse, to Iran. Indeed, Russia could conceivably send weapons to factions in Iraq that do not support the current regime, as well as to groups like Hezbollah. Moscow also could encourage the Iranians to withdraw their support for the Iraqi government and plunge Iraq back into conflict. Finally, Russia could ship weapons to the Taliban and work to further destabilize Pakistan.

    At the moment, the United States faces the strategic problem that the Russians have options while the United States does not. Not only does the U.S. commitment of ground forces in the Islamic world leave the United States without strategic reserve, but the political arrangements under which these troops operate make them highly vulnerable to Russian manipulation — with few satisfactory U.S. counters.

    The U.S. government is trying to think through how it can maintain its commitment in the Islamic world and resist the Russian reassertion of hegemony in the former Soviet Union. If the United States could very rapidly win its wars in the region, this would be possible. But the Russians are in a position to prolong these wars, and even without such agitation, the American ability to close off the conflicts is severely limited. The United States could massively increase the size of its army and make deployments into the Baltics, Ukraine and Central Asia to thwart Russian plans, but it would take years to build up these forces and the active cooperation of Europe to deploy them. Logistically, European support would be essential — but the Europeans in general, and the Germans in particular, have no appetite for this war. Expanding the U.S. Army is necessary, but it does not affect the current strategic reality.

    This logistical issue might be manageable, but the real heart of this problem is not merely the deployment of U.S. forces in the Islamic world — it is the Russians’ ability to use weapons sales and covert means to deteriorate conditions dramatically. With active Russian hostility added to the current reality, the strategic situation in the Islamic world could rapidly spin out of control.

    The United States is therefore trapped by its commitment to the Islamic world. It does not have sufficient forces to block Russian hegemony in the former Soviet Union, and if it tries to block the Russians with naval or air forces, it faces a dangerous riposte from the Russians in the Islamic world. If it does nothing, it creates a strategic threat that potentially towers over the threat in the Islamic world.

    The United States now has to make a fundamental strategic decision. If it remains committed to its current strategy, it cannot respond to the Russians. If it does not respond to the Russians for five or 10 years, the world will look very much like it did from 1945 to 1992. There will be another Cold War at the very least, with a peer power much poorer than the United States but prepared to devote huge amounts of money to national defense.

    There are four broad U.S. options:

    1. Attempt to make a settlement with Iran that would guarantee the neutral stability of Iraq and permit the rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces there. Iran is the key here. The Iranians might also mistrust a re-emergent Russia, and while Tehran might be tempted to work with the Russians against the Americans, Iran might consider an arrangement with the United States — particularly if the United States refocuses its attentions elsewhere. On the upside, this would free the U.S. from Iraq. On the downside, the Iranians might not want —or honor — such a deal.
    2. Enter into negotiations with the Russians, granting them the sphere of influence they want in the former Soviet Union in return for guarantees not to project Russian power into Europe proper. The Russians will be busy consolidating their position for years, giving the U.S. time to re-energize NATO. On the upside, this would free the United States to continue its war in the Islamic world. On the downside, it would create a framework for the re-emergence of a powerful Russian empire that would be as difficult to contain as the Soviet Union.
    3. Refuse to engage the Russians and leave the problem to the Europeans. On the upside, this would allow the United States to continue war in the Islamic world and force the Europeans to act. On the downside, the Europeans are too divided, dependent on Russia and dispirited to resist the Russians. This strategy could speed up Russia’s re-emergence.
    4. Rapidly disengage from Iraq, leaving a residual force there and in Afghanistan. The upside is that this creates a reserve force to reinforce the Baltics and Ukraine that might restrain Russia in the former Soviet Union. The downside is that it would create chaos in the Islamic world, threatening regimes that have sided with the United States and potentially reviving effective intercontinental terrorism. The trade-off is between a hegemonic threat from Eurasia and instability and a terror threat from the Islamic world.

    We are pointing to very stark strategic choices. Continuing the war in the Islamic world has a much higher cost now than it did when it began, and Russia potentially poses a far greater threat to the United States than the Islamic world does. What might have been a rational policy in 2001 or 2003 has now turned into a very dangerous enterprise, because a hostile major power now has the option of making the U.S. position in the Middle East enormously more difficult.

    If a U.S. settlement with Iran is impossible, and a diplomatic solution with the Russians that would keep them from taking a hegemonic position in the former Soviet Union cannot be reached, then the United States must consider rapidly abandoning its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and redeploying its forces to block Russian expansion. The threat posed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War was far graver than the threat posed now by the fragmented Islamic world. In the end, the nations there will cancel each other out, and militant organizations will be something the United States simply has to deal with. This is not an ideal solution by any means, but the clock appears to have run out on the American war in the Islamic world.

    We do not expect the United States to take this option. It is difficult to abandon a conflict that has gone on this long when it is not yet crystal clear that the Russians will actually be a threat later. (It is far easier for an analyst to make such suggestions than it is for a president to act on them.) Instead, the United States will attempt to bridge the Russian situation with gestures and half measures.

    Nevertheless, American national strategy is in crisis. The United States has insufficient power to cope with two threats and must choose between the two. Continuing the current strategy means choosing to deal with the Islamic threat rather than the Russian one, and that is reasonable only if the Islamic threat represents a greater danger to American interests than the Russian threat does. It is difficult to see how the chaos of the Islamic world will cohere to form a global threat. But it is not difficult to imagine a Russia guided by the Medvedev Doctrine rapidly becoming a global threat and a direct danger to American interests.

    We expect no immediate change in American strategic deployments — and we expect this to be regretted later. However, given U.S. Vice President *** Cheney’s trip to the Caucasus region, now would be the time to see some movement in U.S. foreign policy. If Cheney isn’t going to be talking to the Russians, he needs to be talking to the Iranians. Otherwise, he will be writing checks in the region that the U.S. is in no position to cash.

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  •  09-04-2008, 6:15 PM 192072 in reply to 192066

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    History shows us that a 2-front war can't be won.  Not even for the only superpower left - the USA.

    MK - you may be right.  I'm looking at WWII like this - when the Germans lost the Battle of Britain it allowed the US to build up in Britain for the successful invasion of Western Europe on D-Day.  A 2 front war is ultimately what led to the German downfall.  If Hitler had consolidated the West and most of the East, before attacking Russia, things might have been different.  Your points are more factual.  Mine more strategic What-if scenarios. 

    Somewhere in the Penta-gon there are analysts playing war games with every possible scenario.  There is little 'Islamic threat' to the USA at this time if we tighten up the borders - we keep out the threat.  Meanwhile, Europe and Russia are surrounded by this threat.  Who does that benefit? 

    NATO is alive and well.  Given Cheney's speech today, it seems clear that the US will gradually increase the pain to Russia, first simmering, then boiling, until the Russians back down.  I don't blame Russia for wanting to re-create a larger sphere of influence, but do you really think they can pull it off?  I don't.

    I imagine there are many scenarios that take into account any and every action Russia might take - and each action will have a counter-action that continues to turn up the heat until Russia backs down.  2nd worst case, we are fighting proxy wars in Eastern Europe.  Who suffers?  Russia fighting in it's backyard....

    Worst case - nuclear war.  Hence, our missles in Poland.  No doubt a result of what-if strategy. 


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  •  09-05-2008, 10:59 AM 192075 in reply to 192072

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    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    James Bond:

    Worst case - nuclear war.  Hence, our missles in Poland.  No doubt a result of what-if strategy. 

    Thanks for admitting the truth.


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  •  09-05-2008, 5:02 PM 192086 in reply to 192075

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    Ya... finaly....

     


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  •  09-09-2008, 1:42 AM 192149 in reply to 192086

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    A bigger picture
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  •  09-09-2008, 4:47 PM 192168 in reply to 192149

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    Nice but our missiles in Poland are not really capable of delivering nuclear strike. Besides, our missiles in Alaska can do that job just fine. And so can stuff in Arizona and Colorado -- hence,  we call them INTERCONTINENTAL ballistic missiles. So what gives?

    Stuff in Poland, if it ever goes up, will be for interception. While we can wipe out Russia by missiles based in US, right now we can not effectively intercept a missile in flight. But we are progressing, technology moves ahead. So if ever interception technology develops, stuff in Poland will protect Europe (I presume the same technology  based in US will protect my ass here). Than Russia will be at a strategic disadvantage.

    Still, at the moment and for the foreseeable future Russia has enough missiles to wipe out both America and Europe. Therefore a missile by its borders becomes a political point, since practically speaking they can be bombed all the way from my backyard. And politically speaking, missiles in Poland go perfectly well with Russia's domestic line that US is screwing with this great nation in any way they can therefore the Russians must not change their government and not listen to those who cry that Russia is loosing it's freedoms.

     Classic razvodka :-)  Fear from new visible threats makes you exchange freedom for security. And the security people enjoy life knowing that there is no real new threat.
     


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  •  09-09-2008, 5:07 PM 192169 in reply to 192168

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    You just do not know enough and it shows... Missiles in Poland it's not just 10 missiles, it's also personel and protection bases . Thise installtions will also allow for rapid growth, which will turn those 10 missiles into 1000 in a very short time.

    Having such bases so close to Russian territory allows potential for a succesfull first strike, which may severely limit or even eliminate Russian nuclear response. That's why it's so dangerous.

    And besides, when did being honest went out of the window ? Everyone knows it's against Russia - why is this stupid lie about N. Korea or Iran ??


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  •  09-09-2008, 7:28 PM 192179 in reply to 192057

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    hey guys, this is pretty interesting. it looks like killing 1,000,000 iraqis was quite worth the trouble. 
     
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    Иракский полигон

    Обзор основных видов вооружения, испытанных Пентагоном на Ближнем Востоке за последние пять лет

    Пятилетняя иракская кампания позволила вооруженным силам США испытать в реальных боевых условиях более тысячи различных оборонных технологий. Фактически, Пентагон превратил Ирак в идеальный полигон для передовых военных разработок - для создания чего-то подобного на территории США понадобились бы чрезмерные ресурсы и средства, причем любые искусственные условия были бы ограничены фантазией человека и мощностью вычислительных машин. В Ираке ситуация непредсказуема, а потому наиболее удобна для оборонных компаний. "Лента.ру" представляет краткий обзор основных видов вооружения и оборонных технологий, испытанных Пентагоном на Ближнем Востоке с марта 2003 года.

    Удар молнии

    Начало войны в Ираке ознаменовалось применением США электромагнитных бомб (e-bomb). Так, 25 марта 2003 года (напомним, война началась 20 марта того же года) на министерство информации Ирака военно-воздушные силы США сбросили именно такую бомбу. Удар на несколько часов парализовал деятельность иракского телевидения. В последующем США неоднократно применяли такие снаряды против Багдада и других городов Ирака. Электромагнитные бомбы относятся к категории оружия, основанного на новых принципах действия. 

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    За счет мощного электромагнитного импульса оно позволяет выводить из строя средства связи и управления, в том числе электронику всех видов оружия (в первую очередь, зенитно-ракетных комплексов ПВО), не вызывая при этом многочисленных жертв и не уничтожая инфраструктуру.

     

    В отличие от аппаратуры радиоэлектронного подавления, электромагнитное оружие способно выводить из строя электронные элементы, даже если аппаратура противника выключена. Повреждения схожи с точечным ударом молнии. Радиус поражения электромагнитной бомбы не превышает 200 метров. Ранее США уже применяли такое оружие во время первой антииракской кампании, а также в 1999 году против Сербии. Но в Ираке мощность таких бомб была куда больше.

    V-образная скорлупа

    Начав войну в Ираке, США столкнулись с активным противодействием со стороны так называемых террористических групп. Американская техника не была готова к войне с террористами. Иллюзия некоторых американских политиков о возможности тотального контроля всех регионов Земли за счет быстрой переброски американского воинского контингента привела к созданию легких мобильных подразделений на базе боевых бронированных машинах HMMWV ("Хамви" - военный Hummer) и Striker (схож с российским БТРом). Это неизбежно снизило общую бронезащищенность войск и привело к чрезмерным потерям личного состава во время боевых действий. В Ираке такие машины горели от мин, фугасов и РПГ, как спичечные коробки, за что их даже прозвали matchveh ("спичечные машины").

    ББМ
    ББМ Cougar. Фото с сайта www.images.military.com
    Первые два с половиной года американские военнослужащие самостоятельно пытались хоть как-то защитить себя от мин и самодельных взрывных устройств, устанавливая дополнительные бронелисты и противокумулятивные сетки. При этом резко падала приемистость машин (они уже не могли быстро разгоняться и маневрировать), что вело еще к большим жертвам.

     

    Результатом этого горького опыта стала ускоренная разработка и внедрение так называемых противоминных боевых бронированных машин с V-образным днищем. Это позволило частично повысить защиту личного состава от мин, фугасов, РПГ, не теряя при этом мобильность подразделений. Начиная с конца 2004 года, на вооружение боевых подразделений ВС США стали интенсивно поступать машины семейства Cougar. Они значительно превосходили простые армейские "Хаммеры" и БТРы. Десант и экипаж таких машин в случае подрыва на мине получал лишь незначительные травмы. Однако эти преимущества машина Cougar показывала только в первые три года своего применения, позже иракские боевики смогли найти способ их уничтожения. Они просто стали применять заряды большей мощности, эквивалентные нескольким противотанковым минам. Уже в начале 2008 года первая машина семейства Cougar была полностью уничтожена при наезде на такой "минный коктейль".

    Параллельно с внедрением бронемашин Cougar Пентагон начал разработку армейских "Хаммеров" второго поколения. В начале 2008 года военное ведомство США инициировало проведение конкурса на лучший дизайн машины. Главными техническими условиями были выдвинуты высокая мобильность (скорость не ниже 160 километров в час по пересеченной местности) и, конечно же, повышенная бронезащита. Их первые испытания (возможно и на территории Ирака, если война еще будет продолжаться) намечены на 2010 год.

    Городские танки

    Модернизированный
    Модернизированный танк "Абрамс". Фото с сайта www.fas.org
    Бои на улицах иракских городов показали, что мобильные подразделения и группы специального назначения не могут эффективно действовать без должной поддержки танковых подразделений. Но американские "Абрамсы", созданные во времена "холодной войны", не были готовы к таким операциям. В иракских городах они превращались в "слепых кошек". Пентагон в срочном порядке начал проводить модернизацию своих основных боевых танков М1А1 и М1А2.

     

    Был разработан модульный комплект SEP, который повышал уровень осведомленности танкового экипажа в городе (интеграция в сетеоцентрическую систему управления боем, инфракрасные камеры и датчики, внешний телефон на корпусе танка для связи с пехотой), а также обеспечивал более высокую бронезащиту. Несмотря на преимущества комплекта, его использование в Ираке упиралось в высокую стоимость, что ограничивало его широкое применение в боевых подразделениях. В результате был разработан более дешевый комплекс TUSK (tank urban survival kit), в котором применялось не столь дорогое оборудование, позволявшее, тем не менее, интегрировать танк в систему сетеоцентрического управления боем. Системами TUSK в настоящее время укомплектовываются устаревшие танки М1А1, которые снимаются с хранения, ремонтируются и отправляются в Ирак - по мнению военного руководства США, в условиях дефицита финансирования это наиболее оптимальное решение.

    "Электронные бойцы"

    Роботы
    Роботы уже действуют в Ираке. Фото с официального сайта Армии США
    Ирак стал настоящим "альма-матер" для различных беспилотных систем. Здесь они получили возможность проявить себя в полную силу, продемонстрировать все свои недостатки и преимущества. Война в Ираке позволила выработать Пентагону общую тактику применения беспилотников в боевых условиях, а главное, был создан единый механизм сбора, обработки, систематизации и предоставления информации с БПЛА центрам управления, командирам и отдельным бойцам. В Ираке США впервые начали применять боевые беспилотники с различным вооружением. Так, в самом начале войны в марте 2003 года БПЛА MQ-1 Predator с ракетами Hellfire II впервые нанес удары по позициям иракской зенитной артиллерии.

     

    Помимо беспилотных летательных аппаратов, США использовали в Ираке множество различных дистанционно-управляемых роботов для разминирования местности, разведки зданий и рекогносцировки местности. В конце 2007 года Пентагон впервые применил боевых роботов против живой силы противника. Испытания показали их высокую эффективность - теперь уничтожение боевиков в зданиях можно проводить без потерь личного состава. В настоящее время Пентагон разрабатывает устав по применению боевых и разведывательных роботов. Этот документ должен определить порядок дальнейшего использования "электронных бойцов" в боевых условиях. В ближайшее время в состав штурмовых подразделений Армии и Корпуса морской пехоты США планируется включить группы боевых роботов. Расширение таких групп в будущем позволит исключить главный негативный фактор экспедиционных войн для американских политиков - груз 200.

    Солдаты будущего

    Боевые роботы - это, конечно, хорошо, но в настоящее время перед Пентагонам стоит другая главная задача - обеспечить подключение всех боевых единиц, и в первую очередь каждого отдельного бойца, в единую систему управления боем. Ирак позволил начать отработку в реальных боевых условиях комплектов "Солдат будущего" для последующего использования полученного опыта в проекте "Боевые системы будущего" (Future Combat Systems). Ирак показал, что на настоящем этапе развития технологий беспроводной связи обеспечить должный уровень интеграции бойцов в единую систему управления невозможно. При этом стандартное питание таких комплектов не выдерживает интенсивных нагрузок и требует дальнейшего совершенствования.

    Нелетальное оружие

    Опытный
    Опытный образец микроволновой пушки. Фото с сайта DefenseTech.org
    Ирак дал возможность Пентагону испытывать на людях всевозможные виды нелетального оружия. Именно там США впервые применили микроволновую пушку, узконаправленные микроволны которой (частота 95 гигагерц), попадая на кожу, проникают на глубину до одной трети миллиметра. Они нагревают воду, содержащуюся в клетках кожи и межклеточном пространстве, причиняя человеку невыносимую боль, похожую по ощущениям на ожог. Оружие не причиняет серьезных травм, но с помощью микроволновой пушки боевые подразделения США смогли управлять поведением людей во время массовых беспорядков.

     

    Пентагон также укомплектовал некоторые подразделения электрошоковыми устройствами дистанционного применения, так называемыми "Тазерами". Они предназначены для мгновенного обездвиживания человека путем пропускания сквозь тело электроразряда (50 тысяч вольт). "Тазер" выстреливает двумя заостренными электродами, которые поражают человека на расстоянии, проникают под кожу на глубину до пяти сантиметров и проводят электрический ток.

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    Мы рассмотрели только основные виды вооружений, которые были испытаны в Ираке за последние пять лет. Помимо них в Ираке прошли испытания средства радиоэлектронной борьбы, различного рода ракеты, ПТУРы, стрелковое вооружение, оптические, инфракрасные прицелы, датчики - всего более тысячи видов различного вооружения и военной техники.


  •  09-09-2008, 7:44 PM 192181 in reply to 192179

    Re: War in Georgia: A bigger picture

    yes, from 10 to 1000 in a very short time... ten minutes I presume? Successful first strike? And then what?  ... have you been smelling your legwrappings too much?

    Jedem Das Seine.
  •  09-10-2008, 4:32 PM 192201 in reply to 192181